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NRA and Lobbying

ThinkingWithMyDeac

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So reading articles like this http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/20/news/economy/nra-states/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 made me think besides the tragedy involving children making more people tune in, will the lobbying power of the NRA also go down because of Citizens United ruling and the way elections seem to be playing out. The money and numbers the NRA has thrown around in the past were a lot for that era but doesn't seem like very much when you look at number of individual donors to campaigns like obama, or throw in one really really rich guy and his political action campaign. Even Colbert's Super PAC had a ton of money and that was just a satirical joke. Now we have millions being spent on state races all coming from people with much more money than the NRA or at least what the NRA appears to have been using to sway elections in the past.
 
polls show that american's feelings on guns were actually fairly unchanged by the shooting
 
polls show that american's feelings on guns were actually fairly unchanged by the shooting

Don't the polls show that the public shifted sharply more against gun control when Obama was elected and they haven't moved much since? I think it was a Pew study.
 
The reason the NRA is effective is very simple. They are THE central lobbying arm for their position and their opposite position is lobbied by a series of different groups. Basically, the NRA power is consolidated like the Catholic Church, and gun-control groups are all over the place like the Muslim sects.
 
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I hate how people love to proudly proclaim their NRA membership when it's not relevant. I got a flyer in the mail during election season for a guy running for county tax collector in my hometown's county. on the back it states how he's been an NRA member for X # of years, pro life, member of so and so church, etc. what the fuck does that have to do with the job you're running for.

the card was stupid anyway because a) this guy has run for every office under the sun including county commissioner, city council, and other things and always lost, and b) the gist of the card was you should vote out the incumbent because she makes a huge salary that's coming from you, the taxpayer! umm, would that not be your own salary?
 
You should have been a soldier. You missed your calling. How old are you? It still might not be too late.

Too old, Bob. Sorry. Granddad, dad, and both my brothers all made careers of it though. Well, granddad didn't really, as he was killed in WW2.
 
It's amazing how many macho Republican Chickenhawks are running around the country.....like nearly the whole damned Bush/Cheney Administration and about 95% of the Republicans in Congress who supported the Iraq War, as well as nearly all of the religious & rightwing media guys who are always gunning for a war for somebody else to fight somewhere around the globe.

I never saw the twist this thread has taken coming.
 
Too old, Bob. Sorry. Granddad, dad, and both my brothers all made careers of it though. Well, granddad didn't really, as he was killed in WW2.

This is the part where Bob goes on to tell you that WW2 was a war we shouldn't have fought in because the Bush/Cheney administration made up lies for that one too.
 
I never saw the twist this thread has taken coming.

Bob is great at turning anything into a blame Bush/Cheney bashing. Cloudy skies? Bush/Cheney. Toilet backed up? Bush/Cheney. Wellman hires coach Bzzzzzzzzz? Bush/Cheney. Hey man I agree the Bush/Cheney aministration had some major issues but it does get old.
 
Bob, the title and subject matter of this thread are "NRA and Lobbying."

None of your 4 posts in this thread have anything to do with either. You needlessly insult another poster in 2 of them and in the other 2 you proceed to wander off into your usual pathological obsession with Bush/Cheney, neocon, chickenhawk, ad naseum. This is a pattern for you.
 
Bob, the title and subject matter of this thread are "NRA and Lobbying."

None of your 4 posts in this thread have anything to do with either. You needlessly insult another poster in 2 of them and in the other 2 you proceed to wander off into your usual pathological obsession with Bush/Cheney, neocon, chickenhawk, ad naseum. This is a pattern for you.

Amen 19deac92. Bob is garden variety modern progressive. He is an out-stretched fist in search of a cause.
 
The reason the NRA is effective is very simple. They are THE central lobbying arm for their position and their opposite position is lobbied by a series of different groups. Basically, the NRA power is consolidated like the Catholic Church, and gun-control groups are all over the place like the Muslim sects.

Excellent point ELC.

They have no consolidation or strong brand. They have plenty of energy to fuel a fight they just won't coalesce. The anti-gun groups will have to capitulate under a larger umbrella.

It seems reasonable that "mothers" could come into play as they did with MADD. (No need to belabor the difference between the two causes here)

So, you band some strong willed and well spoken moms together and you arm them with the New Testament. No sense in going to one of these things "unarmed"! Anyway, at least a cadre of strong willed Irish Catholic mothers who have suffered the ultimate loss and can deliver the point in a way that is palatable in the element "of this particular issue". So, we have our group : MAG. "Mothers Against Guns"

Now you have your group, MAG. First thing to do is apply your own nickname to your organizations members - dont let just anybody "name/smear you". So, in a series of PSA-like prime time boadsides you introduce a cast of ladies. They call themselves "Maggie Maguires". You puposefully invoke a great name in the world of underdogs by invoking the resonant image of people who fought an oppressive industrialist power. Don't imagine that this fight will be without tears...nevertheless the leaderhip of MAG
will have to have a stiff upper lip and be able to answer opposing arguments without recourse to lachrymose appeals. Your group will have to be tough, fair minded and straightforward in your appeal to those women who do not (yet) share your "reasonable views for deterring public access to semi-automatic machine guns and armor piercing bullets". That is MAG's position. "You" reasonably want to try and stop someone in our society from having the ability to kill 25-30 people in 60 seconds. You seek strong background checks for gun ownership overall and yet your group respects the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners. You say that last part a lot.

So then, to achieve your aims you don't have some expansive vision of big government intrusion. No, no, no, your group does not want to "Tread on Anybody". Instead, "MAG seeks the prohibition of all public sale of munitions for this weaponry as well as the prohibition of the sale of any armor piercing munitions to any member of the general public".

"Weaponry" and "Munitions" are a couple of "nice" incindiary words. Use them a lot. They make mom even more uneasy than mere bullets and weapons.

Now then...your opponent is primarily male. You want to get to that segment that is reasonable toward sensible arguments. The members of the opposition are not without good qualities. You show decency and respect and in hearings your group does not appeal to him emotionally nor try and publicly humiliate "him". No, you come back at him over and again with the image of 5 year olds being shot multiple times in the chest and one after another.

Man, to his great credit, has shown the ability to change. Your group will have to work that hardened shell with logic and the repeated drumbeat of common sense. MAG's aim is to get inside the hearts by way of the minds of the opposition.


As ELC says...the opposition to the NRA has to coalesce and find a resonant symbol/metaphor to get behind. If they don't then their argument and sustaining power will scatter like buckshot. Time to get their own "Big Gun" and narrow the sights on the target. The target is not the NRA or the 2nd Amendment.
 
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That's a good post, Lectro.
 
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