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The Sporting News is reporting that USC AD Pat Haden is implementing a plan that will giveTrjoan football as well as men's and women's basketball players four year scholarships rather than the current one year renewable scholarships.

This could create a ripple that becomes a tsunami. Where would your kid to go- a place that gives him/her a one year scholarship of a guaranteed four year scholarship?

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/s...cholarships-guaranteed-ipads-hoosier-for-life

Good for Pat Haden and for IUs Fred Glass.

Wake should join this movement immediately. It would give us a competitive advantage for a couple of years.
 
Yeah, maybe you should increase your Deacon Club donation to make this happen.
 
RJKarl said:
The Sporting News is reporting that USC AD Pat Haden is implementing a plan that will giveTrjoan football as well as men's and women's basketball players four year scholarships rather than the current one year renewable scholarships.

This could create a ripple that becomes a tsunami. Where would your kid to go- a place that gives him/her a one year scholarship of a guaranteed four year scholarship?

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/s...cholarships-guaranteed-ipads-hoosier-for-life

Good for Pat Haden and for IUs Fred Glass.

Wake should join this movement immediately. It would give us a competitive advantage for a couple of years.
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In principle, I support this, but a few questions and comments.........
- This would change recruiting. Would have to insure you're getting good players or you could get 'stuck' with them for 4 years
- What if they get injured? Is the Univ still responsible for paying for 4 years? does their scholly still count towards the total allowed?
- This would not be a 2 way deal.........ie. College would commit to 4 years, but would players? Would one-and-done's still exist or would they be obligated to stay 4 years?
 
I read this morning that the ban on multi-year scholarships had been in place for almost 40 years prior to being lifted in 2011. I would like Wake to go this route, but would prefer that the entire ACC do it at the same time.
 
I don't like it personally. Too much can happen during a college stint. Players would have to agree to 4 years as well (meaning they cant transfer). The year to year commitment is working fine. Players are transferring, but they are getting opportunities to finish their education. Recruits aren't going to want to give up their transfer card any more than coaches are going to want to give up the one year scholarship.
 
Dekin said:
In principle, I support this, but a few questions and comments.........
- This would change recruiting. Would have to insure you're getting good players or you could get 'stuck' with them for 4 years
- What if they get injured? Is the Univ still responsible for paying for 4 years? does their scholly still count towards the total allowed?
- This would not be a 2 way deal.........ie. College would commit to 4 years, but would players? Would one-and-done's still exist or would they be obligated to stay 4 years?
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Point 1- Get good coaches who don't miss that often

Point 2 - We should be obligated if they get injured. They got injured trying to help us succeed. We owe it to them.

Point 3 - Obviously players quitting would free the university from further obligations.
 
Wrangor said:
I don't like it personally. Too much can happen during a college stint. Players would have to agree to 4 years as well (meaning they cant transfer). The year to year commitment is working fine. Players are transferring, but they are getting opportunities to finish their education. Recruits aren't going to want to give up their transfer card any more than coaches are going to want to give up the one year scholarship.
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There's nothing in this that says they can't transfer. Lots of people get out of contract by mutual agreement.
 
CheesePritchard said:
Well the article rj linked is about IU.
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And had this in it:

"In a similar move, USC athletic director Pat Haden announced on Monday that Southern California will offer four-year scholarships for its own football and men's and women's basketball players. "

Sorry to use an actual respected source to verify the subject.
 
RJKarl said:
There's nothing in this that says they can't transfer. Lots of people get out of contract by mutual agreement.
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No coach is going to want to give up the right to boot a kid unless that kid gives up the right to transfer.
 
If this becomes widespread it will end Saban's dominance at Alabama.

The cornerstone of his recruiting system is to "cut" the athletes that don't produce after a year or two by whatever means necessary (many take fake medical hardships) to continually maximize scholarships every season. Other SEC schools refer to the Bama system as "processing" a player.

It's simple math. A certain % of 4* and 5* recruits will always be misses. However if you have 27 chances every year (instead of 22) the odds increase on total number of non misses. Even if it's just one extra talented player a class, that amounts to an increase of 4 better more usable players over 4 years, which can definitely make a huge difference on a football team.

Here is a good link explaining how he does it for those interested.

http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/saban/
 
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wakedeac98 said:
If this becomes widespread it will end Saban's dominance at Alabama.

The cornerstone of his recruiting system is to "cut" the athletes that don't produce after a year or two by whatever means necessary (many take fake medical hardships) to continually maximize scholarships every season. Other SEC schools refer to the Bama system as "processing" a player.

It's simple math. A certain % of 4* and 5* recruits will always be misses. However if you have 27 chances every year (instead of 22) the odds increase on total number of non misses. Even if it's just one extra talented player a class, that amounts to an increase of 4 better more usable players over 4 years, which can definitely make a huge difference on a football team.

Here is a good link explaining how he does it for those interested.

http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/saban/
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Lol it will definitely not end his dominance. Get real.
 
wakedeac98 said:
If this becomes widespread it will end Saban's dominance at Alabama.

The cornerstone of his recruiting system is to "cut" the athletes that don't produce after a year or two by whatever means necessary (many take fake medical hardships) to continually maximize scholarships every season. Other SEC schools refer to the Bama system as "processing" a player.

It's simple math. A certain % of 4* and 5* recruits will always be misses. However if you have 27 chances every year (instead of 22) the odds increase on total number of non misses. Even if it's just one extra talented player a class, that amounts to an increase of 4 better more usable players over 4 years, which can definitely make a huge difference on a football team.

Here is a good link explaining how he does it for those interested.

http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/saban/
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Every football team does this. This is not some crazy new formula that Saban created. If you don't cut it, you are then cut.
 
Wrangor said:
Every football team does this. This is not some crazy new formula that Saban created. If you don't cut it, you are then cut.
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Very true. However no coach does it to the extreme or extent that Saban abuses it. It is absolutely how he is able to maximize talent.
 
This is nothing but PR, but every team/conference is going to have to follow suit. That said, nothing will change. Coaches who need more room will still give kids "the talk" when they want/need them to transfer.
 
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