It’s not a question of whether the campaign colluded with Russia. We’ve known they did and this is just more confirmation. We need to know who, outside of Gates and Manafort, was aware.
I guess that’s important but even if Trump didn’t know, his election victory was a sham. His whole administration is illegitimate.
I imagine that with that information Trump's campaign could direct Russia's efforts where they thought it was most needed.Maybe a dumb question, but why did Russia need polling data directly from trumps campaign?
I imagine that with that information Trump's campaign could direct Russia's efforts where they thought it was most needed.
I imagine that with that information Trump's campaign could direct Russia's efforts where they thought it was most needed.
This. And if you watched that 2 part Frontline piece on Facebook (eff Mark Zuckerberg), Russia was targeting certain states and demographics. For example, they'd promote Jill Stein in more liberal circles or put fake stories about how Hillary didn't care about minorities where it was likely to get read by minorities in order to try to suppress that vote. The Russian bots who wrote these stories on their troll farms weren't just promoting Trump. They were also promoting Bernie in the primary and Stein in the general.
That said, birdman, I don't know that we can necessarily conclude that the election results were in fact a sham. I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to tell how much of Trump's victory was due to Comey, insurance hikes in certain states (like VA and AZ) and/or meddling Russian trolls. They all had an effect - it's just difficult to attempt to apportion the correct amount to which state. For instance, take AZ, which Trump won by 5%, and VA, which Clinton won by 5%. The polls were predicting AZ to be closer and VA to be more of a blowout. In both states, we had significant ACA rate hikes announced 1 week before the election, so I thought that may well have been a factor as to why the polls were off a bit in those 2 states. Another state that had me gong WTF was MN, which is normally reliably Dem, and Clinton only won that by 1%. Obama had won MN by 8 and 10% in his 2 races. Maybe the Trump campaign had some polling which showed the upper midwest states (MN, WI and MI) were more gettable than the Clinton team thought (after all, she didn't go there), and perhaps the Russian trolls concentrated much of their efforts on those states. Maybe Comey had more of a disproportional effect in the upper midwest. I don't know. But unless we get a much more detailed view of the level of collusion and exactly what information was shared, I think it's difficult to apportion blame to any states with any accuracy. And of course Clinton and her lousy tin eared campaign team share a ton of the blame as well. And my blood pressure goes through the roof every time she sends out test balloons about running in 2020 or is in the press complaining about 2016. She needs to effin go away and not be seen or heard from again.
It really doesn’t matter to me what the impact was, the mother fuckers cheated to win whether or not they needed too. Louisville might have beaten us in 2016 regardless of Wakey leaks but they still cheated so fuck them. Trumps team committed campaign finance violations and almost certainly coordinated with a foreign adversary during the 2016 campaign. The 2016 election victory should be vacated.
yeah and above all else that motherfucker has gotten 2 justices on the court, and maybe another (don't die, RBG!). those should not count.
The 2016 election victory should be vacated.
Maybe a dumb question, but why did Russia need polling data directly from trumps campaign?
Maybe a dumb question, but why did Russia need polling data directly from trumps campaign?
It really doesn’t matter to me what the impact was, the mother fuckers cheated to win whether or not they needed too. Louisville might have beaten us in 2016 regardless of Wakey leaks but they still cheated so fuck them. Trumps team committed campaign finance violations and almost certainly coordinated with a foreign adversary during the 2016 campaign. The 2016 election victory should be vacated.
Two young justices that will be on the bench for 25 years or more, one of which should not have been his to appoint even if he hadn’t cheated and won the election.
People should be more angry about this.
You'd think Republicans would be more angry that he was colluding with Russia to beat them in the primary.