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Cops Tase/Beat/Arrest Unruly Fan at PNC Park

I was wondering the same thing about the taser. I have a very basic knowledge of how they work but I wonder if they hit the jacket but didn't penetrate further, thus seriously limiting how well the electricity could be conducted.

Although, hello's analysis is probably the best explanation.
 
Im guessing that the barbs of the taser didn't have a good connection so it wasn't a full tase. Either because the cops are idiots or the guys sweet U-S-A jacket protected him. Another thought from the article, how is he still in jail as of Monday afternoon? What is bail like 1000 dollars?
 
Is it possible to adjust the voltage on a Taser? Perhaps after the Philly incident they've been instructed to use a pretty low setting at ballparks.

But yea, weird that it took them so long to subdue him.
 
Maybe I am alone but I don't think the cops used too much force (and I am no cop defender). I think cops are within their right to use as much force as necessary to subdued the person they are apprehending. Obviously the first tazer and the first baton hit did nothing...they increased it until he was down and under control.

There is nothing worse than a "Yinzer" from Pittsburgh.
 
See that's why I can't really pass judgment. Did they even try to just get the guy into cuffs and take him away? He looked like an intimidating MF'er, but it looks like they really just assumed he wouldn't be taken away peacefully.
 
Dude just takes a taser like its his morning cereal, holy shit.
 
My guess would be like said above, the barbs didnt seat well or he was drunk/hopped up on something. I've seen guys act like nothing happened when they were drugged out and drunk before. He definitely had a fighter mentality in his eyes.
 
At my first job the night before I started a manager was shot and killed by police even though he was unarmed. He was coked up and smashed out the back glass of the police cruiser and then charged at the police.
 
Meh...nothing about that seemed excessive at all. The first and second whacks were on the side of the neck, which is a nerve center/pressure point along with the sides of the legs, arms, etc... They went after his legs after that. No doubt the guy was being drunk and disorderly, which is why he was being escorted out in the first place. Then he apparently didn't even flinch when tased (must've gotten stuck in his jacket), then he mouthed off and failed to comply with the cops. If he complies, he doesn't get dropped.

The chick who got busted sounds like the one who was yelling the whole time that guy was getting a beatdown. What a drama queen she is. You're supposed to stand when they lift your cuffs like that. She's sitting there like a dead fish and not complying. Of course it's going to hurt. The exertion of pressure and pain is how cops maintain control over their suspects. Stand up, you stupid bitch, and it won't hurt. It's called complying with an officer of the law.

Neither of them deserves a penny in court.
 
I think people are less concerned with the cops' force as with what did or didn't provoke it. Clearly the guy was being disorderly and deserved to be ejected. But he wasn't fleeing, and he wasn't attacking them. Just weird to see a guy just standing there take that type of beating.
 
here's a pretty good breakdown of the various pressure points...the neck hits (brachial plexus origin and/or suprascapular nerve) should not be done by baton, but by hand. They MIGHT get in trouble for that, but considering they used the taser before progressing to the batons (which is what many PDs require these days), they may be ok-- especially considering that the taser didn't phase the guy in the least.

http://aussiejujitsu.wetpaint.com/page/Pressure+Point+Application
 
Freakindeacon33 said:
I think people are less concerned with the cops' force as with what did or didn't provoke it. Clearly the guy was being disorderly and deserved to be ejected. But he wasn't fleeing, and he wasn't attacking them. Just weird to see a guy just standing there take that type of beating.
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When he pushed the usher, the tasing began. Watch the video again. Some fan goes to high five him, the usher tries to pull his hand back as the guy high fives him, then the usher gets pushed. So technically, in the view of the cops, he was attacking.

Now I understand how and why he gets defensive and then tries to comply by keeping on walking, but the fact of the matter is once the level of force has progressed to that point, the point for reasoned discussion has passed. If you are tased or are getting beaten, you drop down and comply whether it hurts or not.
 
cops like these give other cops bad names. the guy was walking out. they could have easily gotten him to a place where there wasnt a large public gathering and then handcuffed him. its like the cops wanted to show that they were going to take care of this guy. i get so tired of cops and their pissing matches.
 
DeaconVendetta said:
On a more serious note, the dude didn't seem to be phased by the tasing. The kid in Philly dropped dead in his tracks, and this guy is just looking at the cops like "is that all you got?". Having never been hit with a taser, I have no idea what it feels like. Does drunkenness soften the blow? Can the cops turn up / down the juice?
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This suggests he was either on something or had a mental issue. They're the ones who are immune to tasers...
 
DentedDeacon said:
cops like these give other cops bad names. the guy was walking out. they could have easily gotten him to a place where there wasnt a large public gathering and then handcuffed him. its like the cops wanted to show that they were going to take care of this guy. i get so tired of cops and their pissing matches.
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I usually agree with you but in this case that guy took a swing at the usher. The cops had not choice but to apprehend him at that point IMO.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
When he pushed the usher, the tasing began. Watch the video again. Some fan goes to high five him, the usher tries to pull his hand back as the guy high fives him, then the usher gets pushed. So technically, in the view of the cops, he was attacking.

Now I understand how and why he gets defensive and then tries to comply by keeping on walking, but the fact of the matter is once the level of force has progressed to that point, the point for reasoned discussion has passed. If you are tased or are getting beaten, you drop down and comply whether it hurts or not.
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ding ding. people seem to be missing the fact that this guy, by definition, physically assaulted a bystander and then subsequently resisted arrest by not complying. i mean in a world full of daisies and rainbows the cops would have gotten him to the side and handcuffed him but in the real world when a guy being escorted out by police pushes somebody, is unphased by a tazer, and then continues to defy (verbally and by still standing) cops trying to subdue him then cops will get much more forceful. they aren't going to say "please let me handcuff you sir". they say "get down on the ground" and if you don't respond, its game over. this is how things are AND how things should be IMO. either way, dude will wind up with a settlement
 
After watching it a second time, I don't think it was all that excessive. The guy was clearly resisting. In the beginning he says "don't hit me," yea well if you don't want to get hit, do what the cops say and you won't get hit.
 
I generally side with the cops on this kind of thing, but it really just appears to have been a situation where they could have subdued this guy with neither taser nor batons. Aren't they obligated to at least try to cuff him without using a taser, and if he makes a move toward one of them then they can tase him?
 
Freakindeacon33 said:
I generally side with the cops on this kind of thing, but it really just appears to have been a situation where they could have subdued this guy with neither taser nor batons. Aren't they obligated to at least try to cuff him without using a taser, and if he makes a move toward one of them then they can tase him?
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Yeah I agree. The cops did not appear to attempt to handcuff him until after he was swatted like a baton. He didn't look like he fought back either, maybe he was running his mouth but he didn't react much to being hit.
 
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