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Thread: Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Embracing Trumpism/White Supremacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    It’s rare to spot a donkey in the wild who lacks sufficient self-awareness that he calls another political viewpoint “unrealistic.”
    in your mind you thought this was clever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    So? Genocide works in some places and not others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    So? Genocide works in some places and not others?
    Maybe you should read the article before you slander this man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    But Trump and his aides aren't racists.
    So you think diversity is a prerequisite for liberalism? What does that mean for Israel?

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    “Ethnic ties provide the groundwork for social trust and political solidarity and, universalist aspirations notwithstanding, continue to do so. At the same time, social scientists have found that greater ethnic heterogeneity is associated with lower social trust. Ethnically heterogeneous societies exhibit less political and civic engagement, less effective governing institutions, and fewer public goods. The sociologist Robert Putnam has concluded that greater ethnic diversity weakens social solidarity, fosters social isolation, and inhibits social capital:

    “Inhabitants of diverse communities tend to withdraw from collective life, to distrust their neighbours, regardless
    of the colour of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television.”

    These findings confirm that the solidarity underlying democratic polities rests in large part on ethnic identification.
    Surely, it does not serve the cause of liberal democracy to ignore this reality. The trouble, however, is that “the democratic principle does not define the framework within which it operates.” Because it embraces a principle of universalistic human equality, modern democratic thinking cannot justify the particularistic national context in which liberal democracy was nurtured and continues to thrive. The difficulty with the modern attitude is that it assumes human equality exists prior to political society and that liberal democracy springs logically from this preexisting fact. But this gets the chronology wrong. “We are not born equal; we become equal as members of a group on the strength of our decision to guarantee ourselves mutually equal rights,” writes Arendt. “Equality, in contrast to all that is involved in mere existence, is not given us, but is the result of human organization insofar as it is guided by the principle of justice.”


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    That is not an Israel specific argument that he is making.

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    Where does he argue that “democracy requires ethnic homogeneity to thrive”?

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    Trump says and does enough stupid shit that you and Rachel Maddow don’t have to make shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    “Original intent” is not the touchstone of Originalism. “Original meaning” is.

    The notion that “we the people” is limited to landowning white males ignores the 14th Amendment, which provides that all persons have equal protection of the laws.

    People who criticize originalism as being racist refuse, either because of stupidity or for polemical reasons, to accept that originalism acknowledges that the 13-15th Amendments worked a fundamental change in constitutional structure.
    Took em a while to fix it, eh

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    Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Embracing Trumpism/White Supremacy

    the conservatives and libertarians were fine with things

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarcaDeac View Post
    Took em a while to fix it, eh
    And they’ve been working to undermine those amendments ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    And they’ve been working to undermine those amendments ever since.
    The notion that the very first words of a document written in 1787 apply to one subset of people ignores a correction made 81 years later to apply them to all.

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    #MAGA

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    That being said - today’s “conservatives” are a bunch of pussies who are totally fine with being lied to by dear leader trump. I realize there are very few conservatives like myself or Tom Nichols.
    When your burning and obsessive hatred of any and all things Trump causes you to blindly vote for any Dem on every ballot regardless of policy, you were never a conservative in the first place.

    That goes for you and double for your hack buddy, Tom Nichols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    It’s rare to spot a donkey in the wild who lacks sufficient self-awareness that he calls another political viewpoint “unrealistic.”
    ah, yes - the supposed libertarian who uses shared web infrastructure developed and subsidized by the government to endorse extra-judicial police killings and increased government intervention in everyday life on the internet
    We're going to be good again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    Where does he argue that “democracy requires ethnic homogeneity to thrive”?
    “At the same time, social scientists have found that greater ethnic heterogeneity is associated with lower social trust. Ethnically heterogeneous societies exhibit less political and civic engagement, less effective governing institutions, and fewer public goods. The sociologist Robert Putnam has concluded that greater ethnic diversity weakens social solidarity, fosters social isolation, and inhibits social capital:”

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    It’s almost like Rachel Maddow — and you, in defense of your post — are intentionally ignoring that the entire point of the article was to argue that Israel's unique Jewish-centrism is not inconsistent with liberalism.

    That said, Menashi himself is Jewish, and it is well known that most modern Jews have Neo-Nazi tendencies, so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Angus View Post
    When your burning and obsessive hatred of any and all things Trump causes you to blindly vote for any Dem on every ballot regardless of policy, you were never a conservative in the first place.

    That goes for you and double for your hack buddy, Tom Nichols.
    You are conflating tribalism with political philosophy.

    Real conservatives would be aghast at running up massive deficit spending during an economic expansion, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junebug View Post
    It’s almost like Rachel Maddow — and you, in defense of your post — are intentionally ignoring that the entire point of the article was to argue that Israel's unique Jewish-centrism is not inconsistent with liberalism.

    That said, Menashi himself is Jewish, and it is well known that most modern Jews have Neo-Nazi tendencies, so
    I think he’s making a pretty explicit argument that democracies function best when groups stick to their own kind.

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