Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition

PhDeac said:
And he's a dick. Like a major league dick. He has the pompous attitude of somebody with the credentials you stated and aspirations to match.
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Well that makes sense, he basically reads his own wiki page and is impressed as I was. So he's like the townie of congress.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
You went to his wiki page, read the "Relationship with Republican members of Congress" section.

Basically he was too much of a right wing nut bar even for the most conservative congress in history.
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So basically he isn't afraid to call out his fellow republicans when they're full of shit and he's so cocky because of his background he doesn't give a shit about taking on the majority leader or people more senior to him so they don't like him? I'm liking Cruz more and more.
 
Pretty much every donk opinion he has he says should stay at the state level, so who cares. #teamcruz
 
Cruz said that "the simple and undeniable fact is the overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats", and that the reason Democrats are soft on crime, is that convicted felons tend to vote Democrat.
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Ok maybe he's a bit crazy. although he's prolly right too.
 
Cruz proposes to eliminate the Department of Energy, the Department of Education, Department of Commerce, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
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now that is just flat out ballsy.
 
Cruz disagrees with scientific consensus on climate change.[188][189] He has said that "the scientific evidence doesn't support global warming."
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Alright, how'd you rock Princeton and Harvard again? #pourdonk
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
He wants to eliminate the IRS too.
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He's correct there. And I'm an accountant. Our tax code shouldn't be so complicated we even need an IRS. And I have a full on experience being a controller for the wealthiest of the wealthy in the private equity real estate world, and as someone who has been audited for evading taxes as a professional poker player. I got some experience.
 
palmab03 said:
He's correct there. And I'm an accountant.
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That's fair, but every time he's asked who is going to collect taxes he describes an office that sounds like the IRS.

Mostly he's pushing a flat tax and that everyone can do their "taxes on a postcard"

Who will make sure everyone fills out the postcard...
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
That's fair, but every time he's asked who is going to collect taxes he describes an office that sounds like the IRS.

Mostly he's pushing a flat tax and that everyone can do their "taxes on a postcard"

Who will make sure everyone fills out the postcard...
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Everything should be able to be done by computer at this point. You have no idea how ridiculous it is that I file returns for companies with 60 investors, it has all their information yet none of that is registered in their system automatically, it requires manual entries and even then isn't linked to the taxpayers information unless someone chooses to audit it. Its absurd. The IRS just needs massive IT funding.

And people should be able to do their taxes on a postcard. Anything different is just a bad system. I don't agree with a flat tax though. But probably 75% of taxes could be done automatically by ADP for the middle class dude with 1 job.
 
I would say taxes are already super uncomplicated for the vast majority of the public.
 
Consider a 50k two income household with 2 kids. They are basically paying zero income taxes now. Put a 20% flat tax on them and they are going to get buried.

For a flat tax system to be implemented that doesn't completely rape poor people there has to be extremely complex stipend or payment refund program to poor people. Guess what Ted, there will have to be an extremely complex governmental agency to deal with this.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
I would say taxes are already super uncomplicated for the vast majority of the public.
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Paying taxes is extremely easy for most people. Getting deductions is the harder part.
 
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palmab03 said:
Everything should be able to be done by computer at this point. You have no idea how ridiculous it is that I file returns for companies with 60 investors, it has all their information yet none of that is registered in their system automatically, it requires manual entries and even then isn't linked to the taxpayers information unless someone chooses to audit it. Its absurd. The IRS just needs massive IT funding.

And people should be able to do their taxes on a postcard. Anything different is just a bad system. I don't agree with a flat tax though. But probably 75% of taxes could be done automatically by ADP for the middle class dude with 1 job.
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You want big government to have your clients information stored so the Chinese can hack it?
 
PhDeac said:
Paying taxes is extremely easy. Getting deductions is the harder part.
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Correct, but this goes along with the long held conservative mythos that you're going to reduce tax revenue and simultaneously reduce the deficit and also spend a lot militarily.

The most amazing thing that happened in the Fox News debate the other day was the all out attack on Trump's economic plan, which was straight forward supply side economics but held to scrutiny just because Republicans hate him.

"Even under your most optimistic economic projections, and even cutting entire departments we can't afford to cut entirely, your tax plan massively increases the deficit."

They put the numbers and the charts up there that show it didn't work that conservatives have been touting for years. It was incredible.
 
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PhDeac said:
Paying taxes is extremely easy for most people. Getting deductions is the harder part.
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Deductions are pretty easy for most people as well. And if they don't have any, the standard deduction wipes out a good chunk.

Definitely surprises me how much traction the postcard tax return arguments have with the public. So much general ignorance about simple personal taxes, although I suppose that's no different than ignorance on any other issue. I guess that's how places like HR Block stay in business.
 
The working poor have somewhat complicated returns - especially considering they typically aren't paying an accountant to prepare them like middle class and wealthy people with complicated returns do. It probably took me 4 times as long to prepare a return for someone that qualifies for the EITC than it took to prepare my personal return. Some simplification of the tax code would be a good thing. Oversimplification, like the postcard for everyone, would be terrible.
 
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