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kasich is playing the moderate work together game. he's not a moderate.
bernie's positions aren't shtick either. he's an unapologetic socialist.
Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition
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kasich is playing the moderate work together game. he's not a moderate.
bernie's positions aren't shtick either. he's an unapologetic socialist.
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http://georgelakoff.com/2016/03/02/why-trump/
Left this on the Trump thread. It is worth reading the whole piece, but here are some quotes:
Donald Trump is winning Republican presidential primaries at such a great rate that he seems likely to become the next Republican presidential nominee and perhaps the next president. Democrats have little understanding of why he is winning — and winning handily, and even many Republicans don’t see him as a Republican and are trying to stop him, but don’t know how. There are various theories: People are angry and he speaks to their anger. People don’t think much of Congress and want a non-politician. Both may be true. But why? What are the details? And Why Trump?
Many people are mystified. He seems to have come out of nowhere. His positions on issues don’t fit a common mold.
He likes Planned Parenthood, Social Security, and Medicare, which are not standard Republican positions. Republicans hate eminent domain (the taking of private property by the government) and love the Trans-Pacific Partnership (the TPP trade deal), but he has the opposite views on both. He is not religious and scorns religious practices, yet the Evangelicals (that is, the white Evangelicals) love him. He thinks health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, as well as military contractors, are making too much profit and wants to change that. He insults major voting groups, e.g., Latinos, when most Republicans are trying to court them. He wants to deport 11 million immigrants without papers and thinks he can. He wants to stop all Muslims from entering the country. What is going on?
I work in the cognitive and brain sciences. In the 1990’s, I undertook to answer a question in my field: How do the various policy positions of conservatives and progressives hang together? Take conservatism: What does being against abortion have to do with being for owning guns? What does owning guns have to do with denying the reality of global warming? How does being anti-government fit with wanting a stronger military? How can you be pro-life and for the death penalty? Progressives have the opposite views. How do their views hang together?
The answer came from a realization that we tend to understand the nation metaphorically in family terms: We have founding fathers. We send our sons and daughters to war. We have homeland security. The conservative and progressive worldviews dividing our country can most readily be understood in terms of moral worldviews that are encapsulated in two very different common forms of family life: The Nurturant Parent family (progressive) and the Strict Father family (conservative).
There is no middle in American politics. There are moderates, but there is no ideology of the moderate, no single ideology that all moderates agree on. A moderate conservative has some progressive positions on issues, though they vary from person to person. Similarly, a moderate progressive has some conservative positions on issues, again varying from person to person. In short, moderates have both political moral worldviews, but mostly use one of them. Those two moral worldviews in general contradict each other. How can they reside in the same brain at the same time?
Both are characterized in the brain by neural circuitry. They are linked by a commonplace circuit: mutual inhibition. When one is turned on the other is turned off; when one is strengthened, the other is weakened. What turns them on or off? Language that fits that worldview activates that worldview, strengthening it, while turning off the other worldview and weakening it. The more Trump’s views are discussed in the media, the more they are activated and the stronger they get, both in the minds of hardcore conservatives and in the minds of moderate progressives.
This is true even if you are attacking Trump’s views. The reason is that negating a frame activates that frame, as I pointed out in the book Don’t Think of an Elephant! It doesn’t matter if you are promoting Trump or attacking Trump, you are helping Trump.
A good example of Trump winning with progressive biconceptuals includes certain unionized workers. Many union members are strict fathers at home or in their private life. They believe in “traditional family values” — a conservative code word — and they may identify with winners.
Left this on the Trump thread. It is worth reading the whole piece, but here are some quotes:
Donald Trump is winning Republican presidential primaries at such a great rate that he seems likely to become the next Republican presidential nominee and perhaps the next president. Democrats have little understanding of why he is winning — and winning handily, and even many Republicans don’t see him as a Republican and are trying to stop him, but don’t know how. There are various theories: People are angry and he speaks to their anger. People don’t think much of Congress and want a non-politician. Both may be true. But why? What are the details? And Why Trump?
Many people are mystified. He seems to have come out of nowhere. His positions on issues don’t fit a common mold.
He likes Planned Parenthood, Social Security, and Medicare, which are not standard Republican positions. Republicans hate eminent domain (the taking of private property by the government) and love the Trans-Pacific Partnership (the TPP trade deal), but he has the opposite views on both. He is not religious and scorns religious practices, yet the Evangelicals (that is, the white Evangelicals) love him. He thinks health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, as well as military contractors, are making too much profit and wants to change that. He insults major voting groups, e.g., Latinos, when most Republicans are trying to court them. He wants to deport 11 million immigrants without papers and thinks he can. He wants to stop all Muslims from entering the country. What is going on?
I work in the cognitive and brain sciences. In the 1990’s, I undertook to answer a question in my field: How do the various policy positions of conservatives and progressives hang together? Take conservatism: What does being against abortion have to do with being for owning guns? What does owning guns have to do with denying the reality of global warming? How does being anti-government fit with wanting a stronger military? How can you be pro-life and for the death penalty? Progressives have the opposite views. How do their views hang together?
The answer came from a realization that we tend to understand the nation metaphorically in family terms: We have founding fathers. We send our sons and daughters to war. We have homeland security. The conservative and progressive worldviews dividing our country can most readily be understood in terms of moral worldviews that are encapsulated in two very different common forms of family life: The Nurturant Parent family (progressive) and the Strict Father family (conservative).
There is no middle in American politics. There are moderates, but there is no ideology of the moderate, no single ideology that all moderates agree on. A moderate conservative has some progressive positions on issues, though they vary from person to person. Similarly, a moderate progressive has some conservative positions on issues, again varying from person to person. In short, moderates have both political moral worldviews, but mostly use one of them. Those two moral worldviews in general contradict each other. How can they reside in the same brain at the same time?
Both are characterized in the brain by neural circuitry. They are linked by a commonplace circuit: mutual inhibition. When one is turned on the other is turned off; when one is strengthened, the other is weakened. What turns them on or off? Language that fits that worldview activates that worldview, strengthening it, while turning off the other worldview and weakening it. The more Trump’s views are discussed in the media, the more they are activated and the stronger they get, both in the minds of hardcore conservatives and in the minds of moderate progressives.
This is true even if you are attacking Trump’s views. The reason is that negating a frame activates that frame, as I pointed out in the book Don’t Think of an Elephant! It doesn’t matter if you are promoting Trump or attacking Trump, you are helping Trump.
A good example of Trump winning with progressive biconceptuals includes certain unionized workers. Many union members are strict fathers at home or in their private life. They believe in “traditional family values” — a conservative code word — and they may identify with winners.
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Last night was the first time I watched even a minute of any debate, but from the limited amount I saw, the top 3 candidates are Trump (insecure bully who yells and rolls his eyes constantly and calls his opponents things like "Little Marco" over and over again), Rubio (looked twitchy and nervous, not sure someone who seems so freaked out is a good choice to be President), and Cruz (like a creepy evangelical mortician; also, he ate a bot fly larvae off his lip in the middle of the debate). None of those motherfuckers will be the President. Crazy that those are the top-3.
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That's a pretty good analysis, but he missed a lot of the mark when touching on the PC element. Still, probably the best analysis I've seen so far.
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I agree with Kasich's body of work over his lifetime. I am not sure how that is a schtick. He is a conservative. I am a conservative. He is able to express differences of opinion without being a jerk. He understands what is possible to do in government, and what isn't. He has an excellent track record. His faith speech lines up with how he has lived his life. I think he is the clear choice amongst the conservative options. Not sure where I am being fooled. What views is he going to switch between now and the election if he won the nomination (unlikely, but for the sake of discussion let's say he won). How am I being fooled?
bobknightfan
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I was just the opposite. Last night was the first time that I didn't watch a minute of the GOP debates.
There is nothing left to be said among Republicans that could change my vote. Only the Democrats have the power to do that now.
ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
you did miss a dick joke, though
Deacfreak07
Ain't played nobody, PAWL!
Are the others not angry enough or not white enough?
bobknightfan
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Assuming that you were referring to Republicans, none of the others can beat Hillary Clinton. Trump can draw some Democratic votes. Cruz & Rubio cannot. That means that Trump has a chance....if the Republicans come to their senses and get behind him. Just like 2004 all over again, only the sides are reversed. The Democrats didn't come to their senses....and lost. Hopefully, the Republicans will be wiser by November than the Democrats were 12 years ago.
Deacfreak07
Ain't played nobody, PAWL!
Just like 2004, coming to your senses means supporting the angriest white man running.
Wakeforest22890
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BKF is a liberal [sic]
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I know you hate Hillary, but do you think Trump would be better for our country than her? For that matter, who would you rather pick the next couple USSC justices?
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It doesn't matter. He already received his marching orders from The General
bobknightfan
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Hillary gave us 4 more years of Bush & Cheney, war & economic collapse...just to further her political career. You simply cannot reward a person for doing something like that.
(And Trump might end up being more liberal than Hillary. I don't think he believes half the stuff he is saying.)
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WFFaithful
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BE A GROWN MAN AND GET OVER IT!!!! MR. DEAN HAS.
bobknightfan
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Well, the country hasn't gotten over it yet....and it's possible that it never will. Some of you don't seem to understand how important that election was and how much lasting damage it has done to this country.
WFFaithful
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What good does doing more damage via a Republican president/congress/and scotus do to fix the past?