This is a wild-ass guess, but the fact that authorities haven't simply gassed the place and raided it with a SWAT team may indicate that they're worried about explosives and other booby traps.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/oregon-standoff.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
FBI released video of the killing of Lavoy Finicum. Looks like he came out of the crashed vehicle with his hands up then reached for something before he was killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/oregon-standoff.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
FBI released video of the killing of Lavoy Finicum. Looks like he came out of the crashed vehicle with his hands up then reached for something before he was killed.
it's difficult without sound. you can't hear what anyone is saying or when the shots are fired. in some ways it is similar to the situation we argued about for 10 pages on the fascism thread, where the cops are responding to a report of armed gangbangers, then shoot the kid in front of the c-store as he is trying to lift his shirt to show he's unarmed. In both cases the officers have the mindset that they are dealing with an armed and dangerous person (obviously, in the Finicum situation their mindset is objectively reasonable since the dudes are known to be armed to the teeth, Finicum himself had declared several times he'd die before going to jail, and was actively fleeing from the police in an SUV). In both cases there is probably a demand to surrender (admittedly, we don't know this for sure in the Finicum case). In both cases, the suspect is making movements that can be interpreted as surrendering but also as reaching for a concealed weapon.
If the shooting of the kid at the c-store was justified (I argued it was not, but it was a relatively close call) then the shooting of Finicum was definitely justified. Of course my opinion on that could change if audio comes out showing the agents started shooting before Finicum reached for his gun.
These guys had said over and over again in the media that they were willing to kill and be killed to defend their rights. They had also bragged about the quantity and quality of their guns. While there may be similarities (eg, a cop, a civilian and weapons) the kid at the c-store probably hadn't openly threatened the authorities for weeks prior to his death. The FBI and police had waited weeks for these Billy the Kid wanna bes to vacate the refuge and end this peacefully. These guys took the risk of being belligerent and openly threatening the lives of anybody that tried to stop them. Of course the police were on edge and had their fingers on the trigger.
He and his wife danced slowly to "Tangled Up in You," a song by Staind blasting out of the door of a nearby pickup, with an American flag on a pole laid up against the side.
Both Andersons are dressed in camo gear, Sean Anderson with a small copy of the Constitution tucked in his chest pocket. Cases of water and beer rested near their feet, surrounded in sagebrush. Another American flag was wedged among rocks nearby.
After the dance, Sean Anderson turned to the camera, sniffling. "We want to live," he said.
"We're free Americans," he said. "This isn't Nazi Germany. We don't need checkpoints. We don't need felony charges."
Anderson said he and the others were simply camping in the desert, hurting no one.
Other than maybe the man's family, who in their right mind would have a problem with this shooting?
He was known to be armed; he said he would die before going to jail; he ran from the cops; he almost ran into an FBI agent at the road block and the he jumped our of the car and reached for his jacket pocket twice (which ultimately had a loaded 9mm).
He is just the most recent in a long line of Darwin Award winner.
Except he is 55 or so and probably already procreated.
why didn't they taze that bro
Would you bring a taser to a gun fight ?
11 kids.
Other than maybe the man's family, who in their right mind would have a problem with this shooting?
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