the media is inciting fear as usual and doing it very irresponsibly
This article asserts that the "boggled," disorganized roll out of the immigration EO was completely intentional and designed to see the judiciary had any power in halting actions of the executive branch. I am a smart, well educated person, not usually prone to conspiracy theories, but could some please tell me why this guy is wrong and that there is nothing to worry about here.
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the media is inciting fear as usual and doing it very irresponsibly
I honestly think Trump wouldn't be quite as hated or demonized if the motherfucker could just improve his goddamned vocabulary. Everything is "great" "wonderful" "really great" "good" etc etc....its like listening to an interview from Jim Grobe.....you know every other word out of his mouth is going to be "pretty good". Speak in a manner that carries with it the office you hold and maybe so many people wouldn't think you're a mentally handicapped mouth-breather in way over his head.
I honestly think Trump wouldn't be quite as hated or demonized if the motherfucker could just improve his goddamned vocabulary. Everything is "great" "wonderful" "really great" "good" etc etc....its like listening to an interview from Jim Grobe.....you know every other word out of his mouth is going to be "pretty good". Speak in a manner that carries with it the office you hold and maybe so many people wouldn't think you're a mentally handicapped mouth-breather in way over his head.
The number of legal immigrants entering countries likely also has a nonzero percent of arrests, charges, and convictions correct?
Do we ban all immigrants period because a nonzero number of these events occur?
I'm still trying to understand it myself, so I can make up my mind. I fully expect he will screw up. Bigly. I'm trying to invest my outrage wisely. If this is such a case, I'm all in. Still trying to get there factually first.
Busy week but finally got around to reading Trump's EO, which wasn't on the WH website the last time I looked. I actually had to go to CNN to find the text.
A few things...
1- The order is a bit too broad and ambiguous. I'd have no problem if it suspended for 90 days immigrant and nonimmigrant entry from the stated countries for new entries, or the refugee program for 120 days, but it broadly sweeps up any H1Bs or other employment-based visas who may be traveling abroad. And while I don't read it to include green card holders, I can see why some overzealous inspectors might have thought that since it includes immigrants. A green card holder is technically the holder of an immigrant visa.
2- Clarification made as to it not pertaining to green card holders was the right thing to do. Those can't be rescinded en masse. There's a process for that. They need to do a similar addendum to include any folks with existing work visas and previous entries on those visas who are caught up in overseas travel at this time, assuming they weren't hanging out at jihadist camps or something. Lots of H1Bs need to travel for work.
3- Beyond it being wrongly read to include green card holders, it seems all very much within the scope of his authority. Whereas Obama used his authority to de-prioritize immigration enforcement that didn't fit his agenda, Trump is prioritizing most everything again. Selective enforcement can be a bitch.
4 - A court going against him in this would have to undo a lot of precedent. We are talking about port of entry refusals, and you pretty much have no rights at a POE or in border zones. Courts recognize wide latitude here, as well as no right to what is commonly recognized as due process. We throw Mexicans on a bus and drive it back across the border. We don't take them to a court hearing. Similarly, we put refused plane travelers on the first plane back. This has been the process forever. Moreover, he can direct the consulates to open/close, not issue visas, etc.
5 - Nobody would be challenging this if it were 1942 and he were directing the exclusion of aliens from the Axis, and he isn't directing Syrian-born US citizens to be sent off to internment camps, nor is that on the radar.
I'm guessing they polish up the turdier parts of the EO and move on. Save your outrage for something else. Half the Hillary crowd is going to give themselves heart attacks judging from the first week of Trump, thus insuring him of a second term. Pick your battles wisely, or else it's just going to be crying wolf at some point when it really needs to be serious.
So maybe the administration should have, you know, looked at it. This is not "looking at it" This is doing something.
I think the entire point Sig is that neither side knows on what basis the vetting done of refugees admits or does not admit people. All we heard from Obama was how it was super stringent and took lots of interviews and time. And all we heard from the GOP was how it didn't properly vet out potential wrong doers and people who would seek to do us harm. But no one has yet shown me on what basis exactly the vetting determines to admit or not admit someone. And that is the entire crux of the issue we are now facing. And somehow no one has even asked Trump what, exactly, it is about the present vetting he thinks does not work properly. Perhaps the vetting really is fucked up and doesn't properly screen for people inclined to condone all sorts of horrible things. Perhaps it just needs to be tweaked and a ban isn't necessary while the tweaking occurs. But we can't even have a good conversation on this as a country because none of us really know the substance of the vetting.