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OFFICIAL Tear The Fascists Down Thread

EatLeadCommie said:
How do they impact lives? They don't. They're fucking statues. Statues to honor those who last fought and died 152 years ago, or survived, came home, and died as decrepit old men 80 years ago. This is about "feelings." Somebody "feels" angry when they see that. Why do they "feel" angry? Because somebody told them they should feel marginalized and they see all their friends whining on social media and have a heightened sense of self-importance. Fuck their feelings, and frankly, fuck the feelings of anybody who feels so outraged that they have to either march in support of a statue or in opposition to it. Get over yourselves. Have an appreciation for history and how it impacted this country for better and for worse. THINK when you see those monuments, don't FEEL. Think of where we were as a nation before then and since. Think about how the same people who fought for the south had parents who fought in the Revolutionary War, The War Of 1812, The Mexican War (lots of Civil War vets in this one, actually), and sons who have fought in the numerous conflicts since. Think of how their lives were impacted, all their lives. Think of how somebody in Maine had their life impacted the same way somebody in Texas did after a battle in Gettysburg, PA. Think of how tragic the Civil War was for everybody and how the victors chose to deal with the victory and how the defeated dealt with defeat. This shit is over and done and dealt with and was 150 years ago. There is no net positive to be gained from tearing down old confederate statues. None. It is vandalism and lawlessness, plain and simple. It happened in Durham, so I doubt the offenders will even be prosecuted (and it looks like the penalty is on par with a code of conduct offense at Wake), but they should be charged the maximum allowable under law.

And make no mistake, this isn't about the Civil War. This is about passing judgment upon people who lived in a different time and place for things we find truly incomprehensible today. Civil war monuments today, slaveholder founders tomorrow.
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What is the point of erecting a statue?
 
This needs to happen all over.

If i was in charge in Charlottesville, the REL statue would have been removed ASAP following the rioting.
 
Why'd we tear down the statue of Saddam Hussein? Shouldn't the Iraqi people embrace their culture?
 
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bym051d said:
Why'd we tear down the statue of Saddam Hussein? Shouldn't the Iraqi people embrace their culture?
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yeah, how will you honor the heritage and learn about the history if you erase all the history, guys?
 
Mourners To Honor Charlottesville Victim; States Debate Confederate Statues

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Cities and towns across the country have been grappling with what to do with their Confederate statues.

Shortly after the violence in Charlottesville, the Daughters of the Confederacy in Gainesville, Fla., removed a statue of a Confederate soldier known as "Ole Joe."

And as Colin Dwyer wrote for The Two-Way:

"Politicians in a number of cities, far from protecting their own Confederate monuments, had instead moved to hasten their removal. In Baltimore and Jacksonville, Fla., in Memphis and Lexington, Ky., local leaders acted to begin getting rid of these long-standing landmarks."

In North Carolina, a state law prevents cities from removing Confederate monuments. But as Jeff Tiberii of member station WUNC reported for Morning Edition, that didn't seem to faze a group of activists in Durham on Monday night. They brought down the statue of a Confederate soldier.

No arrests were made at the time, but on Tuesday, Sheriff Mike Andrews said protesters who toppled the statue in front of a North Carolina government building would face felony charges.

Deputies later arrested Takiyah Thompson, who had identified herself as the woman who tied the rope that was used to tear the statue down, according to the Durham Herald Sun.

North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, wrote in a blog post that he would ask the Legislature to reverse a 2015 law signed by his Republican predecessor, Pat McCrory, that prevents the removal or relocation of monuments.

Cooper also wrote:

"Our Civil War history is important, but it belongs in textbooks and museums – not a place of allegiance on our Capitol grounds. And our history must tell the full story, including the subjugation of humans created in God's image to provide the back-breaking labor that drove the South's agrarian economy."

The rally in Charlottesville, Va., was called by white nationalists to protest plans to remove the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a city park.

Robert E. Lee IV, 92, a descendant of the Confederate general who lives in a retirement community in Bethesda, Md., told WRC-TV that he didn't have a problem with the statue being removed. It's up to the people, he said.
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TuffaloDeac10 said:
Thomas should have more monuments. He commanded the most successful frontal assaults of the war and destroyed an enemy army entirely.
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Thomas's main problems were that he came up through the red-headed stepchild of Union armies, the Army of the Cumberland, and, somewhat related to that, didn't get along with Sherman and Grant. Apart from Sheridan, not a lot of ACB officers got their due
 
I emailed my state rep this morning to ask about removing the confederate flag flying in Wichita. Her response was "Wait, what, there is a confederate flag in Wichita?"

I know there are activists in Wichita doing that work, but don't assume your state legislators know these things.
 
OldGoldBeard said:
Thomas's main problems were that he came up through the red-headed stepchild of Union armies, the Army of the Cumberland, and, somewhat related to that, didn't get along with Sherman and Grant. Apart from Sheridan, not a lot of ACB officers got their due
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@YesYoureRacist
 
Not technically a fascist state but it exhibited many of the worst aspects of one.

 
Lt. Gov. Fairfax steps off dais when Senate Republicans commemorate Stonewall Jackson

Fairfax said that when he was sworn into the statewide office on Jan. 13, he kept in his pocket a reproduction of a document freeing members of the Fairfax family in Virginia from slavery in 1798.

“I felt … in honor of my family and in honor of the journey that Virginia has taken and so many others have taken for progress, that I would prefer not to preside over those adjournment motions.”
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