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The Mueller Investigation Is in Mortal Danger

OK. There are roughly 200,000,000 registered voters in the US, approximately 88,000,000 of whom identify as Republican. Since the RNC gave money to Roy Moore, all 88,000,0000 of those voters, including the US Senators who said Moore should step down, are now right wing extremists and should be labeled as such by the media.

Got it.

I think you are both right (sort-of). Mainstream republican politics is now right-wing extremism. That being said, there are also people out there who are at least registered as republicans who don't agree with the direction that party has taken. Those folks, in theory, still want a more traditional conservative approach to government.

The problem is, I'm not sure I see leaders of the party out there who espouse the views of traditional conservatism any more. The Majority Leader, the Speaker of the House... not there. Not any of the more famous senators or representatives.

If you consider yourself a conservative, the only reason that exists for you to vote for a republican these days is just to oppose democrats. Because its not like the person you vote for is going to push for conservative views.
 
I think you are both right (sort-of). Mainstream republican politics is now right-wing extremism. That being said, there are also people out there who are at least registered as republicans who don't agree with the direction that party has taken. Those folks, in theory, still want a more traditional conservative approach to government.

The problem is, I'm not sure I see leaders of the party out there who espouse the views of traditional conservatism any more. The Majority Leader, the Speaker of the House... not there. Not any of the more famous senators or representatives.

If you consider yourself a conservative, the only reason that exists for you to vote for a republican these days is just to oppose democrats. Because its not like the person you vote for is going to push for conservative views.

While I agree with the lack of leadership at the high posts, I find the rest of this post and the whole thread to be problematic...

First, I find it interesting that the term extreme far right is applied to Republican voters when all of those making the accusation are supporters of extreme far left views. Obama's socialism and allowing world organizations to direct US activities is only not the farthest left you can go because of Bernie Sanders...

Second, Trump is less than a desirable human but at least says what he thinks and acts upon it. The voting public - especially conservative Republicans - were fed up with electing officials who said what the voters wanted to hear to get elected only to fail to deliver the promise. So, there is a lot more to casting a vote merely to oppose Democrats.

If conservatives wanted more of the same, Jeb would have gotten the nomination or any other so-called establishment offerings. They were rejected soundly. The only people not realizing this are those same members of Congress who think they can weather the Trump storm and return to the whole way of doing nothing and preserving their positions and perks.

We talk about holding people accountable and Trump is doing that which resonates and encourages his voting base that things may change finally.

Do you realize that during my entire voting history the issues discussed in campaigns have remained virtually unchanged? Doesn't that lend itself to raise the question of why not? Tax reform, civil rights, gay rights, abortion, protecting the earth have been tossed about for decades with no consensus resolution in sight. I am convinced there is too much money and power involved with various "issues" to allow for agreement.
 
The Party of Trump is talking about restricting freedom of the press, establishing a private security service for the executive, condemning and banning specific and alternative lifestyles, restricting the freedoms of adherents to one specific religion, limiting women in public office, purging the DOJ and the FBI of members of the political opposition, and more. How could you possibly put that on equal footing with Obama era policies? I am pretty biased left, but that is ridiculous.
 
Old man is still writing about what he hopes Trump will do once elected instead of what he is ACTUALLY doing a (wasted) year into his term.

Sometimes folks that seem "less than desirable" actually turn out to be pieces of shit, imagine that!
 
The Party of Trump is talking about restricting freedom of the press, establishing a private security service for the executive, condemning and banning specific and alternative lifestyles, restricting the freedoms of adherents to one specific religion, limiting women in public office, purging the DOJ and the FBI of members of the political opposition, and more. How could you possibly put that on equal footing with Obama era policies? I am pretty biased left, but that is ridiculous.

"Obama's socialism" and Trump actually delivering on promises in back to back paragraphs. I assume it's a parody?
 
While I agree with the lack of leadership at the high posts, I find the rest of this post and the whole thread to be problematic...

First, I find it interesting that the term extreme far right is applied to Republican voters when all of those making the accusation are supporters of extreme far left views. Obama's socialism and allowing world organizations to direct US activities is only not the farthest left you can go because of Bernie Sanders...

Second, Trump is less than a desirable human but at least says what he thinks and acts upon it. The voting public - especially conservative Republicans - were fed up with electing officials who said what the voters wanted to hear to get elected only to fail to deliver the promise. So, there is a lot more to casting a vote merely to oppose Democrats.

If conservatives wanted more of the same, Jeb would have gotten the nomination or any other so-called establishment offerings. They were rejected soundly. The only people not realizing this are those same members of Congress who think they can weather the Trump storm and return to the whole way of doing nothing and preserving their positions and perks.

We talk about holding people accountable and Trump is doing that which resonates and encourages his voting base that things may change finally.

Do you realize that during my entire voting history the issues discussed in campaigns have remained virtually unchanged? Doesn't that lend itself to raise the question of why not? Tax reform, civil rights, gay rights, abortion, protecting the earth have been tossed about for decades with no consensus resolution in sight. I am convinced there is too much money and power involved with various "issues" to allow for agreement.

The bold is a far right perspective. Obama wasn't a socialist and most of the left (correctly) sees the UN and other international organizations as ways to legitimize US influence without seeming authoritarian on the world stage.

Who is Trump holding accountable?

As far as the end, we've basically reached a consensus resolution on all those issues compared to 50 years ago. The devil is in the details. I bet if you could plot everybody's opinions on each of those issues 50 years ago and compared them to now, there would have been a much wider distribution 50 years ago. Hell, Obama proposed corporate tax cuts himself. But the Republicans didn't like it because it was proposed by Obama and it was 28% instead of 20%.
 
While I agree with the lack of leadership at the high posts, I find the rest of this post and the whole thread to be problematic...

First, I find it interesting that the term extreme far right is applied to Republican voters when all of those making the accusation are supporters of extreme far left views. Obama's socialism and allowing world organizations to direct US activities is only not the farthest left you can go because of Bernie Sanders...

Second, Trump is less than a desirable human but at least says what he thinks and acts upon it. The voting public - especially conservative Republicans - were fed up with electing officials who said what the voters wanted to hear to get elected only to fail to deliver the promise. So, there is a lot more to casting a vote merely to oppose Democrats.

If conservatives wanted more of the same, Jeb would have gotten the nomination or any other so-called establishment offerings. They were rejected soundly. The only people not realizing this are those same members of Congress who think they can weather the Trump storm and return to the whole way of doing nothing and preserving their positions and perks.

We talk about holding people accountable and Trump is doing that which resonates and encourages his voting base that things may change finally.

Do you realize that during my entire voting history the issues discussed in campaigns have remained virtually unchanged? Doesn't that lend itself to raise the question of why not? Tax reform, civil rights, gay rights, abortion, protecting the earth have been tossed about for decades with no consensus resolution in sight. I am convinced there is too much money and power involved with various "issues" to allow for agreement.

Yeah, you pretty much epitomize far-right ideology. Facts don't matter, math doesn't matter, science doesn't matter. Only making conclusory statements that "seem" right to you matters.
 
While I agree with the lack of leadership at the high posts, I find the rest of this post and the whole thread to be problematic...

First, I find it interesting that the term extreme far right is applied to Republican voters when all of those making the accusation are supporters of extreme far left views. Obama's socialism and allowing world organizations to direct US activities is only not the farthest left you can go because of Bernie Sanders...

Second, Trump is less than a desirable human but at least says what he thinks and acts upon it. The voting public - especially conservative Republicans - were fed up with electing officials who said what the voters wanted to hear to get elected only to fail to deliver the promise. So, there is a lot more to casting a vote merely to oppose Democrats.

If conservatives wanted more of the same, Jeb would have gotten the nomination or any other so-called establishment offerings. They were rejected soundly. The only people not realizing this are those same members of Congress who think they can weather the Trump storm and return to the whole way of doing nothing and preserving their positions and perks.

We talk about holding people accountable and Trump is doing that which resonates and encourages his voting base that things may change finally.

Do you realize that during my entire voting history the issues discussed in campaigns have remained virtually unchanged? Doesn't that lend itself to raise the question of why not? Tax reform, civil rights, gay rights, abortion, protecting the earth have been tossed about for decades with no consensus resolution in sight. I am convinced there is too much money and power involved with various "issues" to allow for agreement.

actually, lest we forget: the voting public voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton
 
The Party of Trump is talking about restricting freedom of the press, establishing a private security service for the executive, condemning and banning specific and alternative lifestyles, restricting the freedoms of adherents to one specific religion, limiting women in public office, purging the DOJ and the FBI of members of the political opposition, and more. How could you possibly put that on equal footing with Obama era policies? I am pretty biased left, but that is ridiculous.

This 1000%.

Put policy differences aside...the above is a flagrant violation of American norms and the playbook for just about all burgeoning autocracies. I don't think Trump is the next Hitler...but he definitely wants to be the next Putin and has done lasting damage to the institutions that make this country great.

Liberal or conservative policy means nothing when you've burned the entire foundation down.
 
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The Party of Trump is talking about restricting freedom of the press, establishing a private security service for the executive, condemning and banning specific and alternative lifestyles, restricting the freedoms of adherents to one specific religion, limiting women in public office, purging the DOJ and the FBI of members of the political opposition, and more. How could you possibly put that on equal footing with Obama era policies? I am pretty biased left, but that is ridiculous.

Logical, rational republicans, of whom there are many, do not consider the Republican Party to be the party of Trump. His administration is something to be survived. While I would like to see more pubs actively oppose Trump, I predict the Republican part at large will let out a giant sigh of relief when he finally leaves the stage.
 
Let me clarify, I think we and the media need to start calling a spade a spade and label the entire Republican party as far right extremists. We need to stop legitimizing them as "conservatives" and call them what they are.

You realize that there is deep divide in the republican party already, right?

You have been so twisted by propaganda that you just wrote 41 words that call for labeling half country as "extremists." That's where you are. You just wrote that.
 
You realize that there is deep divide in the republican party already, right?

You have been so twisted by propaganda that you just wrote 41 words that call for labeling half country as "extremists." That's where you are. You just wrote that.

ITT: knight admits supporting a pedophile is hardly extreme
 
Logical, rational republicans, of whom there are many, do not consider the Republican Party to be the party of Trump. His administration is something to be survived. While I would like to see more pubs actively oppose Trump, I predict the Republican part at large will let out a giant sigh of relief when he finally leaves the stage.

Over 80 percent of Republicans still support trump based on the latest polls.



It's been interesting to follow Republican columnists and Republicans on social media go through the stages of grief. Looks like Shorty is still in the Denial stage.
 
You realize that there is deep divide in the republican party already, right?

You have been so twisted by propaganda that you just wrote 41 words that call for labeling half country as "extremists." That's where you are. You just wrote that.

You don't consider Donald Trump an extremist?
 
Logical, rational republicans, of whom there are many, do not consider the Republican Party to be the party of Trump. His administration is something to be survived. While I would like to see more pubs actively oppose Trump, I predict the Republican part at large will let out a giant sigh of relief when he finally leaves the stage.

Who did these “logical, rational republicans” vote for in the 2016 presidential election?
 
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