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  1. #8101
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    I don't get why Bernie's campaign isn't giving any info today. All people are asking is how is he doing; where is he and when will he be back.

    A stock answer would work well, "Bernie thanks you for all your thoughts, prayers and kind words. He's doing well and resting and will be back on the stump really soon."

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    I was referring to people not being able to get answers today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuiceCrewAllStar View Post
    yeah, but is she electable?
    Don't fool yourself. This thing is still going to be close, despite our traitor in chief and his attorney Rudy doing their best to assist the house investigation. Add to that she'll have to win the popular vote by at least 5% in order win narrowly the EC. And if Trump continues to be this unhinged, it's still possible he's impeached and convicted in time for Pubs to run someone like Sasse. And if she does win, all liberal judges over 70 better retire asap in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    And if she does win, all liberal judges over 70 better retire asap in 2021.
    Unless the GOP keeps the Senate. If they do, they can still block every federal judicial appointment by Warren if they wish to do so, and given the nature of the current GOP, they probably will. If the Dems retake the Senate, though, then yeah, it's full steam ahead.

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    Roy Moore lost an Alabama senate race AFTER ADMITTING that he courted a 14-16 year old when he was 32...by < %2. %68 of white voters still thought that was ok. Forgive me if I don't have my hopes up for the presidential election.

    And before you say "yeah, but that's Alabama, not the United States", take a long hard look at the current state of the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    I was referring to people not being able to get answers today.
    to what questions?
    We're going to be good again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strickland33 View Post
    to what questions?
    "when is your press conference announcing you're bowing out for a younger, healthier candidate?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheCaptain View Post
    "when is your press conference announcing you're bowing out for a younger, healthier candidate?"
    ah, so i'm guessing he'll take those questions as seriously as Clinton did in 2016

    I think he probably should bow out, though, unfortunately. Bernie is a political force to be reckoned with, but he can't do anything when he's dead.
    We're going to be good again.

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    Hillary had heart surgery in the middle of the 2016 campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictDeacon View Post
    Hillary had heart surgery in the middle of the 2016 campaign?
    No, but I'm also pretty sure that few of us and absolutely nobody in the media are qualified to be assessing candidates' physical and psychological health. I'm sure that Sanders is receiving good medical advice and that the voters already have made their minds up.
    We're going to be good again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strickland33 View Post
    No, but I'm also pretty sure that few of us and absolutely nobody in the media are qualified to be assessing candidates' physical and psychological health. I'm sure that Sanders is receiving good medical advice and that the voters already have made their minds up.

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    Man, this Bernie stuff is nuts. I got the alert about it on my phone, glanced at it, thought to myself "yeah, getting old sucks, but no big deal." I didn't think about it again until I saw this discussion here.

    A friend of mine thinks Bernie's people either blew the announcement or it's worse than the official news is letting on. Here are his thoughts:

    There may be more going on with the Bernie Sanders than we currently know I suspect. The issue as relayed is not a game ender for bernie, and he has oodles of money and plenty of time to distance this before votes start being cast. But Jeff Weaver is a skilled strategist, and some of the language he used when releasing this news was campaign killing language, language that you would only use if you know the campaign is over. Momentum and staying relevant is critical at this stage and if you are intending to power through and compete you move to immediately contain the damage downplay the situation and project optimism. You do not "suspend until further notice" you pause the campaign appearances temporarily in an abundance of caution under doctors orders but look forward to getting back on the campaign trail in short order. Leaving the issue at an indefinite suspension and no timetable in a somber tone is not the move.

    Maybe Jeff Weaver just royally screwed the pooch, but that would surprise me. Absent that, Bernie's campaign is effectively over and theres maybe more to it than the health issue that they described. My two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strickland33 View Post
    to what questions?
    How's he doing?

    Where is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL68 View Post
    Based on percentages like 50 to 48% and 49 to 48%? Those numbers indicate to me that both parties have bases that go across the income stratas with the dems leaning lower income to a small extent
    What these numbers tell me is that Trump's support is not, on the whole, working class though. That was the original point. And the people who didn't vote fell into those general categories too.

    And more than half (56%) of nonvoters reported annual family incomes under $30,000. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents made up a 55% majority of nonvoters; about four-in-ten (41%) nonvoters were Republicans and Republican leaners.

    Here's a good roundup: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    How's he doing?

    Where is he?

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    Okay, it's now a trend. There are a couple of national polls and 2 state polls the last 2 days showing Warren ahead of Biden. Biden and Sanders are ahead of her by a little in OH (strengthening some folks' thoughts that OH leans populist and anti-female). Meanwhile, Trump's favorability ratings remain in the 41-42% average. I know a lot of folks here are anti-Biden, but you cannot like the reason that he is now losing in the polls. He's the friggin' victim of the Ukraine situation, and his poll numbers have been heading south last week and this week, while Trump's poll numbers remain exactly the same. If Trump can make this happen in the middle of an impeachment inquiry, why can't the same sort of thing happen to Warren this time next year? Our country has lost its collective mind. Farewell to the republic.

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    It was going to happen eventually. Warren has been trending up for months. What sucks for Biden supporters is Warren is going to get her "I don't give a damn about Hillary's emails" moment and that's going to help her even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    Okay, it's now a trend. There are a couple of national polls and 2 state polls the last 2 days showing Warren ahead of Biden. Biden and Sanders are ahead of her by a little in OH (strengthening some folks' thoughts that OH leans populist and anti-female). Meanwhile, Trump's favorability ratings remain in the 41-42% average. I know a lot of folks here are anti-Biden, but you cannot like the reason that he is now losing in the polls. He's the friggin' victim of the Ukraine situation, and his poll numbers have been heading south last week and this week, while Trump's poll numbers remain exactly the same. If Trump can make this happen in the middle of an impeachment inquiry, why can't the same sort of thing happen to Warren this time next year? Our country has lost its collective mind. Farewell to the republic.
    Maybe, just maybe, this is the problem with the narrow focus of the impeachment inquiry. The Ukraine situation does paint Joe Biden in a bad light because of Hunter. Did Joe use his influence to get Hunter a job for $550k/month on an oil company board that he's not qualified for? There's a rich tapestry of govt corruption and we're being asked by Pelosi to look at one string that happens to also implicate Biden. Obviously it should implicate Trump too, but why not make an appeal to the American people on the basis of everything else he's done wrong? Republicans are just going to obfuscate and drag out this Ukraine thing and make it about Biden. Trump's numbers are staying the same because most people look at the situation where he's breaking shit every day with a horrible trade war and unfair tax cuts and inciting racial violence and say "wait this is what we're supposed to be mad about?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    It was going to happen eventually. Warren has been trending up for months. What sucks for Biden supporters is Warren is going to get her "I don't give a damn about Hillary's emails" moment and that's going to help her even more.
    Many of us have been predicting this over the last 2-3 months. That's so not the point. The point is the reason his numbers have dipped. It's not because of a poor debate performance or yet another gaffe. It's because of Monica Zelensky. And if it can happen to Biden now, the same thing can happen to Warren next year over a trumped up Trump scandal that he is able to drag her into. Xi, you need to look into how Pocahontas got her job at Harvard, and maybe we can relook at this tariff war. He's abusing his office, yet it's her poll numbers that drop because he can say or do anything and his 40+% will follow him to the apocalypse.

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    I see what you're saying, but we've been saying for months Biden has thin support and he's only running on electability. Not sure of the latest polls, but polls earlier this week said Warren was gaining big among black voters. That was due as well.

    I don't think we can say Trump acts on Warren would have the same impact. But your fears are definitely worth discussing.

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