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Criticism of Religions..Criticism of Christianity.Criticism of Islam..

birdman said:
Maybe, but I can't think of a single example. Besides all religions that I know of, except maybe Zen Buddhism, require the adherents the believe something with out evidence and sometimes in opposition to existing evidence. That creates massive problems in society. For example, People have little problem believeing things like 'guns actually make us safer' because religion teaches us to believe nonsensical things.
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That's precisely what socialism does, and if you don't believe, then you are punished.
 
All religions in history eventually die out and we look back a few centuries later like, “WTFLOL they actually believed that shit?!”

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. will be no different. Except Buddhism, sitting in nature until you feel good will always be cool
 
Junebug said:
Yeah, mankind is flawed. Some would say sinful, even. But the fallenness of religious leaders isn’t reason to doubt the impact that religion can have in the lives of believers.
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Yeah - it’s only the leaders that pervert religion for their own devices.

You don’t actually believe that, right?
 
Junebug said:
That’s a stretch. There’s a big difference between believing God can perform miracles and doubting the results of social statistics.
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What is the difference? Believing something you know to be biologically or physically impossible because you read it in a book vs believing in something that all available data says is false because you heard it on the radio.
 
Junebug said:
That’s a stretch. There’s a big difference between believing God can perform miracles and doubting the results of social statistics.
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Religion depends on their followers to take things on faith and not think critically. Of course it crosses over to the rest of their lives.
 
Junebug said:
Of course not. I guess I can see from my response how you would think that, but no. My point is that you should not judge Christianity by the flawed humans who purport to practice it.
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Why not? How else would you judge the impact of something other than by looking at the actions of its proponents.
 
Junebug said:
With all due respect to CS Lewis, Christian orthodoxy doesn’t look kindly on the notion of free will, at least insofar as it provides that individuals can, through an act of the will, choose to put their faith in Jesus.
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Yeah, well Christians collectively haven’t figured out free will/determinism any better or conclusively than have philosophers. Not to mention theodicy.
 
sailordeac said:
aside from the profound lack of originality with which you express your mistaken ideas, you also don't understand the practice of socialism very well
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That's because I'm not a fucking socialist you fucking deranged dumbass.
 
ConnorEl said:
Yeah, well Christians collectively haven’t figured out free will/determinism any better or conclusively than have philosophers. Not to mention theodicy.
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Junebug said:
Christianity has a unique perspective on the question.

Socrates said to know the good is to do the good. Christianity recognizes that it’s not just the intellect that is fallen. It’s also the will. Or, more accurately, it’s the whole person. Not only does knowing not equal doing, the fact that we want to continue not doing means that we can’t know.

That’s not germane to the larger question of free will / determinism, but it does pertain to the question of how knowledge of God is acquired. Hint: it’s despite, not because of, free will.
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...like I said.
 
Good luck getting someone to strap a bomb to themselves or hijack an airplane and fly it into a building without religion. Whether you think it has a positive impact on your life or not, all religions are fake. As a rule, believing in things that are not true is a bad thing. And while Islam is currently the most violent religion for a multitude of reasons its just as bad to believe that this life/world isn't that important because you're going to heaven so fuck climate change solutions, etc.
 
My point is that “Christianity”, or Christian theology, is not monolithic or homogeneous with respect to theories of epistemology, soteriological details, and certainly not any particular grasp of “free will”.

I’m well aware of what you attempt to imply by tossing in the word “orthodox”. But you’re not fooling anyone by pretending there’s ever been uniform agreement about these things.
 
...and nobody here seems to be arguing that anyone has some “autonomous full knowledge of God”.
 
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