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Trump greatest President since Lincoln

birdman said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cardi-b-trump-is-a-madman-and-a-dickhead
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Well said Cardi B.

Every artist has explained how harmful he is,” she said. “He has made divisions in this country—he almost made a crazy civil war between the blacks and the whites. He has proven himself to be a madman so many times, and proven himself to be disrespectful to women, and that still hasn’t gotten him impeached. Clinton got impeached for cheating on his wife, and it’s so clear that this n*gga has sex with so many porn stars, and he’s just been shown to be a dickhead, and it’s like, ‘Nope.’”
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Who’s the bigger rube: Trump or a supporter of his who thinks Trump is squeaky clean and all of his criminal associates were simply set up?
 
Newenglanddeac said:
Well said Cardi B.
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Wrong. Clinton got impeached because he lied under oath. It also wasn't just that he cheated on his wife. He abused the highest position of power to sexually abuse an INTERN in the fucking oval office. It's crazy to me how much history gets manipulated to fit narratives.

If Trump did that there would be riots in the god damn streets. To be fair if Trump did that there should be protests in the streets, and calls for impeachment.
 
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Newenglanddeac said:
Well said Cardi B.
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Extra wrong, because the BLM movement and majority of the violence in Ferguson happened under the Obama administration fueled by the leftist media. But don't let the facts stop you from enjoying a good tweet NED.
 
First of all, it was consensual sex and abuse of power. That’s not sexual abuse. It’s wrong regardless. But it’s not impeachable and definitely not more impeachable than any number of things Trump has done.

Nice attempt at a classic whatabout though. A thoughtful person would realize that impeachment was all about setting up a whatabout for whatever shenanigans a future Republican president would do. False equivalency is one of the right’s best weapons.

Black Lives Matter was fueled by people not acting like Black Lives Matter. People don’t need the media to see what is right in front of them.
 
PhDeac said:
First of all, it was consensual sex and abuse of power. That’s not sexual abuse. It’s wrong regardless. But it’s not impeachable and definitely not more impeachable than any number of things Trump has done.

Nice attempt at a classic whatabout though. A thoughtful person would realize that impeachment was all about setting up a whatabout for whatever shenanigans a future Republican president would do. False equivalency is one of the right’s best weapons.

Black Lives Matter was fueled by people not acting like Black Lives Matter. People don’t need the media to see what is right in front of them.
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Abusing your power as the president to coerce an intern into a sexual act is sexual abuse PH. Jesus man, whats next you going to shill for Harvey Weinstein.
 
PhDeac said:
First of all, it was consensual sex and abuse of power. That’s not sexual abuse. It’s wrong regardless. But it’s not impeachable and definitely not more impeachable than any number of things Trump has done.

Nice attempt at a classic whatabout though. A thoughtful person would realize that impeachment was all about setting up a whatabout for whatever shenanigans a future Republican president would do. False equivalency is one of the right’s best weapons.

Black Lives Matter was fueled by people not acting like Black Lives Matter. People don’t need the media to see what is right in front of them.
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So not much to do with Trump then.
 
Words have meanings catamount. Tell me where Monica defined this as anything but consensual. I’m not defending Bill. I’m defending the truth.
 
PhDeac said:
Words have meanings catamount. Tell me where Monica defined this as anything but consensual. I’m not defending Bill. I’m defending the truth.
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This is disgusting. We shouldn't have to do this in 2019 but you asked for it so here you go.....

The movement has drawn attention to the power imbalances between bosses and their subordinates, and raised the question of whether sexual relationships between the two can ever be completely consensual. Clinton, as president, was perhaps the most powerful boss in the country — and today, Lewinsky believes that the power dynamics between the two made the issue of consent “very, very complicated.”

“I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent,” she wrote. “Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege.”

And, she added, “I—we—owe a huge debt of gratitude to the #MeToo and Time’s Up heroines. They are speaking volumes against the pernicious conspiracies of silence that have long protected powerful men when it comes to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and abuse of power.”
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https://www.vox.com/identities/2018...a-lewinsky-clinton-affair-tv-series-interview
 
Stop whatamounting Monica. If abuse of power is so bad, start listing Trump's abuses of power. Don't take the bait on Monica.
 
yeah, I'm with Catamount here. With that type of power imbalance, I'm not sure if someone is in a reasonable position to give consent.

But also, the only reason Trump hasn't lied under oath is that he won't subject himself to being under oath.

WFcatamount22 said:
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Extra wrong, because the BLM movement and majority of the violence in Ferguson happened under the Obama administration fueled by the leftist media. But don't let the facts stop you from enjoying a good tweet NED.
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Catamount, are you claiming that Trump hasn't stoked and exacerbated racial resentment for personal gain?

Also, you may want to revisit some of the violence in Ferguson. I suggest watching "Whose Streets?"
 
WFFaithful said:
Stop whatamounting Monica. If abuse of power is so bad, start listing Trump's abuses of power. Don't take the bait on Monica.
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I'm not. I am responding to a rant somebody named Cardi B. went on, that NED said was well said. It wasn't well said, it was almost entirely inaccurate. It did however provide the leftist tribe with fuel they were looking for. So accuracy and facts need not apply.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
yeah, I'm with Catamount here. With that type of power imbalance, I'm not sure if someone is in a reasonable position to give consent.

But also, the only reason Trump hasn't lied under oath is that he won't subject himself to being under oath.




Catamount, are you claiming that Trump hasn't stoked and exacerbated racial resentment for personal gain?

Also, you may want to revisit some of the violence in Ferguson. I suggest watching "Whose Streets?"
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I am not saying that Trump has not exacerbated racial tensions in the America. However if you want to point to the time "civil war" almost happened between white and black people this decade it was at the height of the Ferguson protest. That had approximately zero to do with Trump as Cardi implied.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Wrong. Clinton got impeached because he lied under oath. It also wasn't just that he cheated on his wife. He abused the highest position of power to sexually abuse an INTERN in the fucking oval office. It's crazy to me how much history gets manipulated to fit narratives.

If Trump did that there would be riots in the god damn streets. To be fair if Trump did that there should be protests in the streets, and calls for impeachment.
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So I guess you are for impeaching Trump at this point then?

If you’ve read Volume 2 of Mueller’s report, you would know there are 10 examples of Trump obstructing Justice that are on the same level (and in some cases worse) than lying under oath.
 
Also for the record, I posted “well said” regarding Cardi B’s statement half in jest. The statement made me chuckle.
 
So Catamount, have you read the Mueller report yet? Would love to understand how you can square your comment a few days ago about the Mueller investigation being one big conspiracy with the statement you just made.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
I am not saying that Trump has not exacerbated racial tensions in the America. However if you want to point to the time "civil war" almost happened between white and black people this decade it was at the height of the Ferguson protest. That had approximately zero to do with Trump as Cardi implied.
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I would say post Charlottesville we were closer. Ferguson was the boiling point of years of improper policing and discriminatory policies in that city, and while it helped amplify and spark a movement and put a national spotlight on police brutality, it was protest more aligned with the Watts Rebellion or the LA protests in '92.

Since that time, Trump has leveraged racial animus and xenophobia to secure power and a base of support that has increasingly painted others as the enemy.

I would say we are closer today than we were then.
 
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