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Trump -no soap, no toothbrush, no sleep for imprisoned children

So how many more people have to die before more Jewish groups realize “never again” is happening again (and has happened plenty of times before the Holocaust and since because genocide is nothing new or old)?

Ph, I'm not sure why you are singling out Jewish groups on this. If you want a list of groups and great faith-leaders from the Jewish community, I'm happy to share. Carolina Jews for Justice is a great local example. You should check out Rabbi Sharon Brous, as well.

The hidden story of the Holocaust is the callousness of American citizens in recognizing and responding to the problem. Roosevelt's callousness (and that of his isolationist and anti-Semitic enablers) led to millions of Jewish deaths at the hands of Nazi Germany.
 
Our border detention policies are no different now than under the Obama administration.

That's not really true, although Trump keeps using that as an excuse. Some articles about the differences are linked below, but here are some quotes from the articles:

From politifact: "Separations under past administrations rare, systematic under Trump. Generally, a child and an adult who arrive together at the border can be separated when border officials cannot establish the custodial relationship; when they believe the custodian may be a threat to the child; or when the custodian is being detained for prosecution.
Immigration experts have told us that family separations were relatively rare under Obama and other past administrations. They did not happen at nearly the scale that they did under the Trump administration."

From vox: "It is true that migrant and asylum-seeking families were separated while Obama was president, but only in extraordinary circumstances...During the Obama administration, family separations were rare and predicated upon two conditions: whether border officials felt the parents or guardians posed a threat to the children, or whether the adults, under U.S. immigration law, had to be detained based on prior criminal convictions. While Obama was undoubtedly tough on immigration — his administration still holds the record for most deportations — border officials used discretion during his presidency to determine which illegal crossing cases to prosecute.

On the other hand, in April 2018, the Justice Department under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions instituted a “zero tolerance” policy that called for every illegal entry case to be prosecuted. This resulted in children being separated from parents — even when the parents had done nothing more than try to cross the border.

It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry. We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.

Under the Trump administration, though, it became increasingly common. A test of “zero tolerance” along one sector of the border in summer 2017 led to an unknown number of family separations. Seven hundred families were separated between October 2017 and April 2018." So, yeah, there are some definite differences.

Link #1: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/21/donald-trump/donald-trump-again-falsely-says-obama-had-family-s/

Link #2: https://www.vox.com/2019/6/21/18700575/trump-family-separation-policy-obama-time-telemundo
 
I just love the false equivocation.
 
Ph, I'm not sure why you are singling out Jewish groups on this. If you want a list of groups and great faith-leaders from the Jewish community, I'm happy to share. Carolina Jews for Justice is a great local example. You should check out Rabbi Sharon Brous, as well.

The hidden story of the Holocaust is the callousness of American citizens in recognizing and responding to the problem. Roosevelt's callousness (and that of his isolationist and anti-Semitic enablers) led to millions of Jewish deaths at the hands of Nazi Germany.

Because maybe the comparison would matter and move the needle some.
 
The politifact article also has this gem:

"The controversial family separations under Trump’s watch happened as a result of a new policy introduced in April 2018 by Trump’s then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Sessions said an "escalated effort" was needed to address a crisis at the southwest border and directed the implementation of the "zero-tolerance" policy, to prosecute all adults illegally entering the United States.

In March 2017, then-DHS Secretary John Kelly told CNN he was considering separating children from parents to deter illegal immigration. In the Telemundo interview, Trump also said that "when you put the parents together with the children, when you don’t separate," more people arrive at the border."
 
Our border detention policies are no different now than under the Obama administration.

That's patently false. We didn't house THOUSANDS of children in jail, without soap, shower or beds.

For you to say this is pure ignorance.
 
That's not really true, although Trump keeps using that as an excuse. Some articles about the differences are linked below, but here are some quotes from the articles:

From politifact: "Separations under past administrations rare, systematic under Trump. Generally, a child and an adult who arrive together at the border can be separated when border officials cannot establish the custodial relationship; when they believe the custodian may be a threat to the child; or when the custodian is being detained for prosecution.
Immigration experts have told us that family separations were relatively rare under Obama and other past administrations. They did not happen at nearly the scale that they did under the Trump administration."

From vox: "It is true that migrant and asylum-seeking families were separated while Obama was president, but only in extraordinary circumstances...During the Obama administration, family separations were rare and predicated upon two conditions: whether border officials felt the parents or guardians posed a threat to the children, or whether the adults, under U.S. immigration law, had to be detained based on prior criminal convictions. While Obama was undoubtedly tough on immigration — his administration still holds the record for most deportations — border officials used discretion during his presidency to determine which illegal crossing cases to prosecute.

On the other hand, in April 2018, the Justice Department under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions instituted a “zero tolerance” policy that called for every illegal entry case to be prosecuted. This resulted in children being separated from parents — even when the parents had done nothing more than try to cross the border.

It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry. We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.

Under the Trump administration, though, it became increasingly common. A test of “zero tolerance” along one sector of the border in summer 2017 led to an unknown number of family separations. Seven hundred families were separated between October 2017 and April 2018." So, yeah, there are some definite differences.

Link #1: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/21/donald-trump/donald-trump-again-falsely-says-obama-had-family-s/

Link #2: https://www.vox.com/2019/6/21/18700575/trump-family-separation-policy-obama-time-telemundo

So there the same besides the temporally implemented no tolerance policy that got pulled back in two weeks.
 
Also lolololol at seriously posting Vox as a reputable source.

LOL yourself, cata. Is politifact also an unreliable source? Interesting that you just ignored it. This isn't hard. The Trump Administration adopted a specific policy of separating children from families that had not been implemented before. They're not the same policy, no matter how much Trump and others like yourself try to say it is. This is what the politifact article - which was posted yesterday - says: "President Donald Trump, in an interview with the Spanish-language TV network Telemundo, adamantly claimed that the separation of immigrant families at the border during his presidency happened because of an Obama policy. That’s not true..Trump said "When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it. I brought the families together. I’m the one that put them together."

Trump’s persistent claims don’t align with the facts. The Obama administration did not have a policy to separate families arriving illegally at the border. Family separations rarely happened under the Obama administration, which sought to keep families together in detention. Then, based on a court decision, it released families together out of detention.

Separations under Trump happened systematically as a result of his administration’s policy to prosecute all adults crossing the border illegally. After mounting public pressure and criticism, Trump signed an executive order to stop separating families. Around 2,800 children have been reunited with their families because a court ordered the Trump administration to do so.

Trump repeatedly attempts to change the narrative about family separations, but the facts remain the same. Obama did not pass down to Trump a policy to separate families.

Trump’s claim is inaccurate. We rate it False."
 
Also lolololol at seriously posting Vox as a reputable source.

Show me one time when Obama had several thousand kids in jail without water, soap or sleep!

Hell show me when he had 20 or 10...

Until then, your position is full of shit.
 
Our border detention policies are no different now than under the Obama administration.

This is not true and also there were a lot of protests against Obama's ICE/DHS. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 

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