How does Sar Struggling at his next destination say anything good about manning as a coach?
Also, Dinos had a pro-contract offer in Grease before coming to Wake and then had one three years later, for more money sure, but it's not like Manning took a one dimentional european player and turned him into a late first round draft pick. Moore is stuck in the D-league average ~7 points a game. Thomas is having a pretty good career in Europe, but he could have left after is sophomore season and gotten there anyway. Collins is the outlier that drags up manning's average and not basis on which we should draw inference. I just don't see that manning did anything exceptional or noteworthy with any player over 6'9" other than Collins. Sarr was looking like the second player to demonstrate massive improvement under Manning's coaching, but turns out he kinda sucks.
Collins is the outlier and Manning barely played him as a freshman.
How does Sar Struggling at his next destination say anything good about manning as a coach?
Also, Dinos had a pro-contract offer in Greece before coming to Wake and then had one three years later, for more money sure, but it's not like Manning took a one dimentional european player and turned him into a late first round draft pick. Moore is stuck in the D-league average ~7 points a game. Thomas is having a pretty good career in Europe, but he could have left after is sophomore season and gotten there anyway. Collins is the outlier that drags up manning's average and not basis on which we should draw inference. I just don't see that manning did anything exceptional or noteworthy with any player over 6'9" other than Collins. Sarr was looking like the second player to demonstrate massive improvement under Manning's coaching, but turns out he kinda sucks.
Moore was really bad his first year, not so great his Soph year, and Jr year was leading the nation in FG% while putting up pretty consistent numbers. Manning moved Devin Thomas away from the basket in his SR year and Thomas became really efficient offensively and averaged nearly 16 and 10 for the year. And how does Sarr sucking at UK indicate that Manning failed to develop him. Sarr was the #1 transfer prospect last year in college basketball . . . because he had become a good player under Manning.
Manning was bad at the X's and O's, overall recruiting, and running a whole program, I agree. But the development of big men is the only debate we can have under Manning, no other positions had players significantly improve.
Moore barely played as a freshman but his per 40s were better across the board and his field goal percentage was 65% compare the 68% as a Junior. I think it is at least debatable that he showed significant improvement rather than just played more.
Regarding Sarr, you're answering my question with a question, how does Sarr sucking at KY show that manning was a good coach? Seems like the skills you learn should be transferable to other settings. If I was the greatest bird watcher in the state of Alabama, but hadn't seen a single sparrow since moving to Florida, was I ever really that good at watching birds?
I'm fine with labeling Manning as awful in every category, but not accurate to claim that Manning "barely played him".
Fouls kept Collins on the bench more than anything else when he was a frosh. If Collins didn't foul so much, he would've played a lot more.
Collins fouled out twice, and collected 3 (11 times) or 4 (seven times) fouls 18 times in 31 games. That means number Manning fouls were an issue in 20 of his 31 games, including 3 or more fouls in each one of his last 7 games as a frosh.
If Kentucky had guards capable and willing to get Sarr the ball in the low post his performance would improve. They haven't so far.
Did you watch the games? Doral was horrible his freshman year. HORRIBLE. Get out of here with his per 40.
The question still stands, what about Sarr’s poor performance at KY says that Manning was a good big man coach? I really don’t understand that logic.
The question still stands, what about Sarr’s poor performance at KY says that Manning was a good big man coach? I really don’t understand that logic.
I’m not gonna say Manning was a great big man coach, but a lot of Sarr’s offensive success may have been due to Manning’s focus on paint touches and getting him the ball close to the basket.
Are you under the impression than Manning is now coaching Sarr at Kentucky where he is not putting up great numbers but was not coaching at Wake Forest last year when Sarr put up numbers that made him 3rd team All-ACC, runner up most improved player in the conference, and the #1 transfer portal player in the country?
Manning could coach big men. He couldn't do any of the other 20+ aspects of successful coaching at an ACC program. Why is this a debate? Do people just need to believe he was an absolute failure in every possible way or they can't sleep at night?
No. I was under the impression that if Manning was such a great big man coach Sarr would have learned something from him and been a good player when he left.
I’m not saying Manning was a bad big man coach, I’m say that I don’t think he was/is great. I give the man no credit for anything without abundant evidence.