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  1. #21
    what do you make of the fact that Israeli occupation predates Hamas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBrasky View Post
    It only took a decade or so for the Holocaust generation to die off before the Israel decided to ratchet up its apartheid program of the Palenstiains

    Similar to how our white nationalism movement seemed to pick up steam a decade after the last large group of WWII vets died

    History is terrible like that
    Even maddow would chuckle at this one

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    Just sorta felt like we needed a thread on this and didn't see one at first scan.

    These are war crimes!

    On top of the air strikes against civilians, the state is now sanctioning civilian crimes similar to right wing white supremacy tactics in the US, like driving cars into civilians, harassing and beating children, etc.

    The "only democracy in the middle east" is an utterly failed state. Netanyahu must stand trial.

    Blinken has to do more to call for a cease fire here.
    This seems like the kind of post RJ would react negatively to.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by birdman View Post
    In middle school I lived in Europe for a few years (my dad's job) and we travelled all over, including a trip to Israel when I was about 12. Even at 12 in 1990 I saw two things: 2) massive disparity between Jewish and Palestinian societies and 2) religion created a ton of huge but really dumb fights.

    When were in Jerusalem we spent one day going to the Western Wall and then to the Dome of the Rock. There was some sort of Jewish protest going on at the entrance to the Dome of the Rock compound and I could tell that our tour guide was nervous. He was rushing and seemed impatient as we put on our carboard yamakas and placed our paper prayers into the wall. He gathered us all up and decided to go the long way around to the Dome, not through the main gate on the Israeli side but through the Palestinian side that required a long and hasty walk through the streets past shops and through thick crowds. Once we got into the compound, the tour guide calmed down quite a bit, had us gather and sit under a tree and he explained what the dome was, the history of the site, and what the protest outside was about, seemed like a great >30 minute lecture. Then he said, take off you shoes and go into the dome and look around, take your time, I will not go with you because I am Jewish and want to be respectful. We left our shoes with him and headed to the temple. We complied and were headed into the Dome but about 30 seconds later there was shouting and running and suddenly dozens of young Palestinian men and teenagers were hurling rocks over our heads at the Jewish entrance to the compound. My mom and dad were starting to panic, the tour guide came over and shouted for us to go into the temple, there would be no violence in the house of Mohamed. My dad grabbed my sister by the arm and my mom clenched my hand and we all ran into the Dome. It was beautiful inside and out, but who could really take the time to appreciate it. I remember staying there for long enough to realize that every few minutes, a surge of men would run into the Dome and then back out again. Our tour group was huddled together on the side of the temple, and there were several tour groups there, no one had shoes. After some time and no evidence that the episode was subsiding we all agreed to head back out to the courtyard find our tour guide and shoes and get out there. As we emerged I saw Palestinian men using hammers to break paving stones into small pieces and filling buckets for other men to hurl the stones at the Jewish gates. I saw tear gas canister on the ground spewing smoke. We grabbed our stuff and the tour guide, crouching behind a tree, told us to run across the courtyard and up the hill to the mosque, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, in the compound since the violence was centered around the Dome and the Jewish gate. We and dozens of other European tourists were running for what felt like our lives, most of us still shoeless, and as we ran we started hearing gun fire and I could see Israeli police or military were there firing at the crowd of Palestinian rock hurlers. Up the steps to the Al-Aqsa, we gathered, out of breath, with the group. I don't remember how we got out or where we went. On the tour bus the guide told us that the gate guards at the Jewish gate had let 4 of the protesters through the gates and they immediately knelt down and started to pray. This is what sparked the initial rock throwing. Usually these things settled down quickly so the tour guide told us to seek safety in the temple but this episode escalated when the praying Jews would not leave and the police showed up and fired tear gas, which made the Palestinians more outraged so they threw more rocks and then the police started shooting rubber bullets into the crowd (that was the gun fire we heard). It was wild, scary and senseless.
    You have to realize this is completely unreadable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toogs View Post
    You have to realize this is completely unreadable.
    I did not realize.
    Birds are real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toogs View Post
    You have to realize this is completely unreadable.

    Have you ever walked by a sedge warbler in full song and wondered what’s all the noise about?
    I love mankind...it’s people I can’t stand!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHBDemon View Post
    I see this picture and imagine Biden yelling at her like he did at the union worker on the campaign trail.

  9. #29
    listen here jack Israel needs those billions
    semi-aquatic like otters be.

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    Is Tlaib a short, or alternatively transliterated, or just plain old misspelled version of Taliban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailordeac View Post
    Is Tlaib a short, or alternatively transliterated, or just plain old misspelled version of Taliban?
    Similar word root, around “student” or “seeker”

    If you’re interested: https://forum.wordreference.com/thre...-name.3595212/

  12. #32
    Interestingly that this violence occurs just a week before a challenge on Netanyahu's power.

  13. #33
    I'm sure the actual terrorists were thinking about that challenge when they started lobbing hundreds of rockets at Israel.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by sailordeac View Post
    Is Tlaib a short, or alternatively transliterated, or just plain old misspelled version of Taliban?
    LOLZ you support more Taliban-style polices than Representaive Tlaib you fucking fascist bigot

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Karma View Post
    I'm sure the actual terrorists were thinking about that challenge when they started lobbing hundreds of rockets at Israel.
    What's the distinction for you here?

  16. #36
    Israel regularly and indiscriminately massacres Palestinians; are they not terrorists because they are the state actors in this scenario? Israeli blockades, power plant shutdowns, refusal to allow people to enter hospitals, illegal detainments, torture, wonton discrimination, and forcible transfer, eviction, and discrimination represent some of the worst human rights violations in global history. The semantic distinction anyone draws to call one group terrorists but leave Israel out feels reckless and arbitrary to me.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    Israel regularly and indiscriminately massacres Palestinians; are they not terrorists because they are the state actors in this scenario? Israeli blockades, power plant shutdowns, refusal to allow people to enter hospitals, illegal detainments, torture, wonton discrimination, and forcible transfer, eviction, and discrimination represent some of the worst human rights violations in global history. The semantic distinction anyone draws to call one group terrorists but leave Israel out feels reckless and arbitrary to me.
    I've never seen any evidence of Israel's wanton discrimination against delicious wontons.

  18. #38
    Back in the day should have given them like 10 years to figure it out and if they couldn't then make it so nobody can live there. The conflict will never end and never be resolved because you are dealing with both a national conflict as well as a religious conflict, good luck finding rational actors.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    What's the distinction for you here?
    The one designated by the US Dept of State as an FTO.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Karma View Post
    The one designated by the US Dept of State as an FTO.
    I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in the US State Department's classification of terrorism and/or war crimes.

    The list of regimes/nations we've kept off of that list for political and economic reasons has been responsible for tens of millions of murders in the last 60 years.

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