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The ACC is Pretty Much Screwed

if i’m understanding correctly, not sure this data is making the point you think since it basically shows the ncaa tournament is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things since the original post is on a per school basis while these are for entire conferences.

the difference in payout between the top and bottom conferences is about a million, a small (and looks like already factored in) impact on the overall numbers.
 
I think we all realize that unless something changes all the marketing deals and the paying of players will likely lead to the death of the ncaa and conferences will be left scrambling. The large power schools will form their own union and tourneys and everyone else will be left on the outside looking in. Wake and Vanderbilt etc. won’t be one of those teams involved. Large state schools with large donors and tv deals will be the only ones to move forward. Everyone else will be division 1 AA type schools.
 
deacdixieboy said:
BTW these numbers also never take March Madness into account. Heather Dinich is the only one pointing this out. She claims that with March Madness the ACC (in most years…not this year) destroys the other conferences in revenue and actually gets pretty close to the top 2.
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Not this year??! :dumb:

Hmmm.......
 
ralphkitleyrules said:
I think we all realize that unless something changes all the marketing deals and the paying of players will likely lead to the death of the ncaa and conferences will be left scrambling. The large power schools will form their own union and tourneys and everyone else will be left on the outside looking in. Wake and Vanderbilt etc. won’t be one of those teams involved. Large state schools with large donors and tv deals will be the only ones to move forward. Everyone else will be division 1 AA type schools.
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Count on it. So unfortunate and sad.
 
ralphkitleyrules said:
I think we all realize that unless something changes all the marketing deals and the paying of players will likely lead to the death of the ncaa and conferences will be left scrambling. The large power schools will form their own union and tourneys and everyone else will be left on the outside looking in. Wake and Vanderbilt etc. won’t be one of those teams involved. Large state schools with large donors and tv deals will be the only ones to move forward. Everyone else will be division 1 AA type schools.
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Capitalism marches on
 
This has been a constant theme for at least 25 years. It started with conference expansion, and then, the talk re-started every time a team moved from one conference to another... This is the end of the song that will cause WF to lose out in the game of musical chairs. Never happened. Never has come close to happening. Then, the talk of WF missing out came up with the new transfer rules. Then, the same talk with the new NLI rules. Whenever there is change, lots of people think that WF is dropping to the Magnolia League.

During this time, WF Football has never been better. If there was a time when it looked like WF might be kicked to the curb, it would been from 1972 to 1978 when WF went 12-62 and won 10 ACC games over 7 seasons. Today, in this day and age, when people claim WF is in its last days of competing at a high level, the collective success of the WF athletic department has never been better. The vast majority of sports are among the most elite in the country. Further, donor largess has never been more obvious with facility upgrades across the board of all sports. Most importantly, the leadership positions is superior at all of the key positions (AD, FB HC, BB HC).

Finally, as we have seen during this agonizing Duke/UNC Final 4 week, UNC and Duke aren't leaving the ACC ever. They understand the tradition and the sport that unites their school, the alums, the donors. It's basketball. As much as I despise the fanbases at those schools, they are never leaving WF and State behind. The connections are too strong and enduring. Look at Maryland. They left the ACC for the Big 10 money grab. How has that worked out for them? The MD alums still pine for their ACC rivalries, there is massive donor apathy, the basketball program has gone from elite to irrelevant, and the football program will never be able to compete with Michigan, tOSU and Penn State. FWIW, it has also damaged MD's non-revenue sports like soccer. Yes, the MD athletic department has made more money, but the change was a mistake. The key ACC programs will not make that mistake.

So, here we go again, with the claims that the ACC is going to fall apart and WF is going to left to join Davidson and William & Mary in the Magnolia League, but it didn't happen as predicted 20 years ago, and it's not going to happen in the future.
 
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Pilchard said:
This has been a constant theme for at least 25 years. It started with conference expansion, and then, the talk re-started every time a team moved from one conference to another... This is the end of the song that will cause WF to lose out in the game of musical chairs. Never happened. Never has come close to happening. Then, the talk of WF missing out came up with the new transfer rules. Then, the same talk with the new NLI rules. Whenever there is change, lots of people think that WF is dropping to the Magnolia League.

During this time, WF Football has never been better. If there was a time when it looked like WF might be kicked to the curb, it would been form 1972 to 1978 when WF went 12-62 and won 10 ACC games over 7 seasons. Today, in this day and age, when people claim WF is in its last days of competing at a high level, the collective success of the WF athletic department has never been better. The vast majority of sports are among the most elite in the country. Further, donor largess has never been more obvious with facility upgrades across the board of all sports. Most importantly, the leadership positions is superior at all of the key positions (AD, FB HC, BB HC).

Finally, as we have seen during this agonizing Duke/UNC Final 4 week, UNC and Duke aren't leaving the ACC ever. They understand the tradition and the sport that unites their school, the alums, the donors. It's basketball. As much as I despise the fanbases at those schools, they are never leaving WF and State behind. The connections are too strong and enduring. Look at Maryland. They left the ACC for the Big 10 money grab. How has that worked out for them? The MD alums still pine for their ACC rivalries, there is massive donor apathy, the basketball program has gone from elite to irrelevant, and the football program will never be able to compete with Michigan, tOSU and Penn State. FWIW, it has also damaged MD's non-revenue sports like soccer. Yes, the MD athletic department has made more money, but the change was a mistake. The key ACC programs will not make that mistake.

So, here we go again, with the claims that the ACC is going to fall apart and WF is going to left to join Davidson and William & Mary in the Magnolia League, but it didn't happen as predicted 20 years ago, and it's not going to happen in the future.
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I really hope this is correct. As a WF fan and alum, I always expect the worst but you are correct in everything you say.
 
The big boys have to have small fries to beat up on. No conference has all big boys. There are plenty of weak teams in the SEC. The proposed European Super League was sort of an interesting model for throwing all the big boys in a sport together into one league, but it quickly fell apart. Sports just don’t work that way.
 
Across all sports, male and female, the ACC is the Premier Atheletics Conference. First and last on integrity in sports. The NCAA governing body is dead. Evidenced by the greatest cheating scandal in history at UNC. Where we go from here is unknown. But it's not about venue size, youth of coaches, one and done, cheaters. It's about what our society values. I just listen to Clawson. The last vestige of the right things all the time. Don't fuck over the young ones.
 
Maryland's problem was they hired B1G leaders who lacked the necessary appreciation for its history, rivalries, and tradition in the ACC. Money grab plus B1G bias from its leaders equals regret.
 
Pilchard said:
This has been a constant theme for at least 25 years. It started with conference expansion, and then, the talk re-started every time a team moved from one conference to another... This is the end of the song that will cause WF to lose out in the game of musical chairs. Never happened. Never has come close to happening. Then, the talk of WF missing out came up with the new transfer rules. Then, the same talk with the new NLI rules. Whenever there is change, lots of people think that WF is dropping to the Magnolia League.

During this time, WF Football has never been better. If there was a time when it looked like WF might be kicked to the curb, it would been from 1972 to 1978 when WF went 12-62 and won 10 ACC games over 7 seasons. Today, in this day and age, when people claim WF is in its last days of competing at a high level, the collective success of the WF athletic department has never been better. The vast majority of sports are among the most elite in the country. Further, donor largess has never been more obvious with facility upgrades across the board of all sports. Most importantly, the leadership positions is superior at all of the key positions (AD, FB HC, BB HC).

Finally, as we have seen during this agonizing Duke/UNC Final 4 week, UNC and Duke aren't leaving the ACC ever. They understand the tradition and the sport that unites their school, the alums, the donors. It's basketball. As much as I despise the fanbases at those schools, they are never leaving WF and State behind. The connections are too strong and enduring. Look at Maryland. They left the ACC for the Big 10 money grab. How has that worked out for them? The MD alums still pine for their ACC rivalries, there is massive donor apathy, the basketball program has gone from elite to irrelevant, and the football program will never be able to compete with Michigan, tOSU and Penn State. FWIW, it has also damaged MD's non-revenue sports like soccer. Yes, the MD athletic department has made more money, but the change was a mistake. The key ACC programs will not make that mistake.

So, here we go again, with the claims that the ACC is going to fall apart and WF is going to left to join Davidson and William & Mary in the Magnolia League, but it didn't happen as predicted 20 years ago, and it's not going to happen in the future.
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No matter how many NIL deals happen, the “Big Boys” still can only put 11 on the field and 5 on the court at a time. Lots of kids wanna play our games.
 
sportsmed86 said:
No matter how many NIL deals happen, the “Big Boys” still can only put 11 on the field and 5 on the court at a time. Lots of kids wanna play our games.
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Most college athletes have really strong competitive instincts. And the showcase for competition is the games. Athletes who don't get to compete in games at school A will look for opportunities at school B. The portal makes this a much easier thing to do than ever before.
 
I think pretty much most schools in the Power 5 will end up being screwed eventually. I think one day we're going to see a super league of about 32 schools or so that break away and just hold their own natty competitions. It would obviously be driven almost entirely by football with a few college hoops blue bloods sprinkled in for good measure. If that happens the "have nots" of the Power 5 will effectively be done. Something along these lines -

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
aTm

Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Notre Dame
UNC
Va Tech

Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Nebraska
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin

Kansas (an abject joke in football)
Oklahoma
Texas

Arizona
Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington

The above list includes the 25 most "valuable" college football teams plus seven adds largely based on the size/location of the school and the appeal of their basketball programs. Quibble around the edges. But something along those lines with four 8 team divisions and then an 8 team playoff. A giant sucking sound of all college sports money going to these schools.
Everyone else is left behind.
 
Guess the time is now for Clawson to make us a perennial top 10 team
 
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