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Brad Stevens to Celtics

scooter84 said:
This is kinda funny to me. Stevens was being portrayed as a idealistic, saintly kind of guy who turned down the big money and fame of larger programs to stay at the mid-major he had built. With the notion that one day he would move on to one of the great and cultured programs (at least in the eyes of the media) like Duke.

When actually it turns out he is just a money-hungry whore like all the rest of us.
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:squint:

Or maybe the NBA was always his destination? It's not like he turned out smaller offers to coach in the League (that we knew of at least). It's really not that hard to believe that a guy who loves basketball would want to take a coaching job where is focus gets to be 100% on basketball.
 
scooter84 said:
This is kinda funny to me. Stevens was being portrayed as a idealistic, saintly kind of guy who turned down the big money and fame of larger programs to stay at the mid-major he had built. With the notion that one day he would move on to one of the great and cultured programs (at least in the eyes of the media) like Duke.

When actually it turns out he is just a money-hungry whore like all the rest of us.
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People leave jobs for better jobs. That doesn't make him a money-hungry whore.
 
scooter84 said:
This is kinda funny to me. Stevens was being portrayed as a idealistic, saintly kind of guy who turned down the big money and fame of larger programs to stay at the mid-major he had built. With the notion that one day he would move on to one of the great and cultured programs (at least in the eyes of the media) like Duke.

When actually it turns out he is just a money-hungry whore like all the rest of us.
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You shut your whore mouth! Brad Stevens is my man-crush. I'd turn gay for him if I could.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
:squint:

Or maybe the NBA was always his destination? It's not like he turned out smaller offers to coach in the League (that we knew of at least). It's really not that hard to believe that a guy who loves basketball would want to take a coaching job where is focus gets to be 100% on basketball.
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You may be right, maybe he always wanted to coach in the NBA. The point is, that is very different than he was being portrayed. I, for one, never heard a single mention by anyone that he was waiting for the right offer from the League. If that was his goal, you would think someone would have sniffed that out...
 
scooter84 said:
You may be right, maybe he always wanted to coach in the NBA. The point is, that is very different than he was being portrayed. I, for one, never heard a single mention by anyone that he was waiting for the right offer from the League. If that was his goal, you would think someone would have sniffed that out...
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No one ever had any good read on what he wanted. There were a lot of assumptions. He certainly turned down a lot of jobs to stay at Butler. He doesn't strike me as a guy that loved the recruiting trail, but I have no idea.
 
You seriously think he's a money-grubbing whore because he was offered a job in the NBA with one of America's most iconic sports franchises out of the blue as a 36-year-old and decided to take it?
 
bigdoublezero said:
You seriously think he's a money-grubbing whore because he was offered a job in the NBA with one of America's most iconic sports franchises out of the blue as a 36-year-old and decided to take it?
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#bobknightfanlogic
 
He could have gotten almost as much from UCLA or other college jobs.

We'll see what happens after 90-115 losses over the next two seasons and vets say,"Why should I listen to a coach who never played or coached in the NBA?"

That's his hurdle.
 
RJ, I really would love for you to see the books of some college athletic departments, because your insistence that they can easily outbid NBA franchises for coaches is absurd.
 
bigdoublezero said:
You seriously think he's a money-grubbing whore because he was offered a job in the NBA with one of America's most iconic sports franchises out of the blue as a 36-year-old and decided to take it?
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This. The Celtics are the UCLA of the NBA, a leap up from actual UCLA.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
RJ, I really would love for you to see the books of some college athletic departments, because your insistence that they can easily outbid NBA franchises for coaches is absurd.
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RIF, I didn't say that.

I NEVER said "can easily outbid NBA franchises for coaches". I never said anything like that.

In fact I didn't even say "as much". I said "He could have gotten almost as much from UCLA or other college jobs."

(I did change the color and size of the word. That way you could see it.)

Just like the last time I showed you were wrong, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to admit you are wrong this time.

I didn't say "outbid". I didn't even say "equal pay".

Once I'd like to see you say, "I was wrong. you didn't I what I said you did."

No excuses, no rationalizations. Just admit you we were wrong.
 
RJKarl said:
RIF, I didn't say that.

I NEVER said "can easily outbid NBA franchises for coaches". I never said anything like that.

In fact I didn't even say "as much". I said "He could have gotten almost as much from UCLA or other college jobs."

(I did change the color and size of the word. That way you could see it.)

Just like the last time I showed you were wrong, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to admit you are wrong this time.

I didn't say "outbid". I didn't even say "equal pay".

Once I'd like to see you say, "I was wrong. you didn't I what I said you did."

No excuses, no rationalizations. Just admit you we were wrong.
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I was wrong. You didn't I what I said you did.
 
bigdoublezero said:
You seriously think he's a money-grubbing whore because he was offered a job in the NBA with one of America's most iconic sports franchises out of the blue as a 36-year-old and decided to take it?
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Y'all are slightly mis-reading what I said. I never thought the guy was a saint who turned down all the big bucks just because he was a great guy and wanted to stay at the mid-major and keep building his program. But, that is how he was portrayed in the media. I do think that taking the Celtics job is 180 degrees away from that portrayal. Again, to reiterate, I never believed that portrayal and it probably wasn't fair to him.

Whether it technically makes him a money-hungry whore is debateable - but, taking the Celtics job definitely makes him more like the rest of us than he was ever portrayed to be. He wants the money, the fame, the spotlight, the top of the heap - just like everyone else.

Again - I never said being a money-hungry whore was a bad thing - y'all took it that way. Remember, I said "just like the rest of us".
 
scooter84 said:
Y'all are slightly mis-reading what I said. I never thought the guy was a saint who turned down all the big bucks just because he was a great guy and wanted to stay at the mid-major and keep building his program. But, that is how he was portrayed in the media. I do think that taking the Celtics job is 180 degrees away from that portrayal. Again, to reiterate, I never believed that portrayal and it probably wasn't fair to him.

Whether it technically makes him a money-hungry whore is debateable - but, taking the Celtics job definitely makes him more like the rest of us than he was ever portrayed to be. He wants the money, the fame, the spotlight, the top of the heap - just like everyone else.

Again - I never said being a money-hungry whore was a bad thing - y'all took it that way. Remember, I said "just like the rest of us".
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I still don't understand your point. His portrayal in the media was as a good dude who would have rather stuck with what he built at Butler than jump to another program only incrementally better. Most assumed he would leave for a Top 5 college basketball program. Instead he left to coach one of the most recognizable sports franchises on the planet. Sometimes jobs are better for reasons other than money.
 
bigdoublezero said:
I still don't understand your point. His portrayal in the media was as a good dude who would have rather stuck with what he built at Butler than jump to another program only incrementally better. Most assumed he would leave for a Top 5 college basketball program. Instead he left to coach one of the most recognizable sports franchises on the planet. Sometimes jobs are better for reasons other than money.
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Is UCLA a top 5 program? A lot of people would say it is. When he turned that one down a lot of people would have canonized him on the spot.

I am not arguing that the Celtics job is not one of the best in the business. All of us would take that job if offered. Again, taking it just makes him one of us. If you still don't get it, then never mind. It was not an Earth-shattering point anyway...
 
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