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MTOW: Shows You How Much I Know

faxmachineanthem said:
Regarding Grobe, his poor performance now doesn't mean criticism was 'truth' years ago. Every coach fails and gets fired eventually. Grobe's legacy will be solid even though he's been doing a poor job for a while now.

[Redacted], of course, always sucked.
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Yep, two years ago we made a bowl game with a sophomore QB after the most successful run in school history with the previous QB. At that point, an objective analysis could easily conclude that the football program was in pretty good shape.
 
You guys just don't understand how bad of shape the last coach left our football program.
 
But we weren't. Just like we weren't when Caldwell made the Aloha Bowl. Look at the 2011 schedule. Look at how we finished that season. The problems people are discussing now are old problems. Things have just gotten far enough below mediocrity that they can't be ignored. Sadly next time we get mediocrity, our fans will treat it as greatness.
 
bym051d said:
You guys just don't understand how bad of shape the last coach left our football program.
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I'm assuming this is a joke. In hindsight, Caldwell left the talent in good shape and recruited some great individual talents.
 
PhDeac said:
"What I never in a hundred years expected to see was a Jim Grobe team look as discombobulated, dazed and lethargic as the one that lost to Louisiana-Monroe 21-19 Saturday in front of a fast dwindling crowd that had dwindled to three or four thousand (at most) by the time Michael Campanaro's drop on the two-point conversion sealed the program's eighth loss in the last 11 games."

Two things:

First, this is one sentence. My 6th grade English teacher would have killed me for writing a run on sentence like this.

Second, where was Dan for the last several discombobulated, dazed and lethargic performances? Heck, he even wrote a column about the one against Vandy. Did he think that problem was magically solved?

Glad to see it in print that fans are fed up. If Dan is willing to publish it, it must be happening.
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Yeah, I've seen plenty of discombobulated, dazed and lethargic performances over the past several years. Where's Dan been?
 
A thought shared by many...

"His golden moment of 2006 is being tarnished, if not smeared, with every mounting loss and many in the fan base have tacked his wanted poster to the tree next to those of Jeff [Redacted] and Ron Wellman."
 
Because one of the most stunning things I've realized about Wake football is how many players with long NFL careers we had during our years at Wake and right afterward. Our best offensive talent was in the Seattle Bowl year with mostly Caldwell players. Bears repeating.
 
Well I'm shocked. A searing piece from Dan, a petty (and technically incorrect) attack by Ph, and the board split down the middle as to whether it's a great article or too little too late. Calling Dan a "Wellman mouthpiece" is a joke at this point though. He slaughtered [Redacted] last year and we're 2 losses into this season. He's not towing any company line at this point.

I mean, he starts his column off admitting that he's slow to pass judgment. Ph and company who wanted Grobe fired halfway through the 2010 season are the polar opposite of that. There's no reason to attack the beat reporter for being objective and not a live-and-die-by-Wake-sports fan.
 
tbird said:
A thought shared by many...

"His golden moment of 2006 is being tarnished, if not smeared, with every mounting loss and many in the fan base have tacked his wanted poster to the tree next to those of Jeff [Redacted] and Ron Wellman."
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The memory of that will never be tarnished to me, but what bothers me so much is that our program failed to capitalize on what we accomplished. We had the momentum of winning a conference title, BCS bowl, 3 straight bowl appearances and much improved facilities and have done nothing with it. Think about what 2006 took away from the schools we recruit against, I wonder how many times prior to 2006 recruits have heard from other schools, "If you go to Wake you'll never have a chance at a conference title". "you'll never have a chance at a BCS bowl", " you'll be lucky to play in one bowl game during your 4 years", "you won't get national exposure", blah, blah, blah and all those things were shown to be wrong. I know with our challenges that it would be near impossible for us to sustain a level that had us winning 10 games a year and competing for conference titles every year, but it seems we should've gotten something more out of that momentum than what we've gotten. I think maybe the mentality that helped Grobe when he first came here, has maybe hurt him in trying to sustain and build on the success from 2006-2008. I think the mentality is we can't recruit the higher level recruits and we've got to find the diamonds in the rough, coach them up, and hope to win a lot of close games. Unfortunately, too many of the diamonds in the rough haven't panned out and the coaching top to bottom just hasn't been very good. Are we ever going to be able to go out and get 4 and 5 stars with any consistency, no, but sometimes I just feel like this staff is unwilling to swing for the fences. I know recruiting rankings aren't the end all be all, but still over time, better recruiting based on rankings usually produce better football. I guess Camp may be our best recruit since the 2006-2008 run ranking wise and he's by far our best player right now.

I guess what I'm trying to say with the rambling above is, I don't think the mentality of our staff changed after 2006 and it should have.
 
I think a lot more people would agree with Ph if he didn't spend so much time telling you that he's been right for years and blasting anyone who agrees with him now but didn't agree with him 5 years ago
 
BeachBumDeac said:
I think a lot more people would agree with Ph if he didn't spend so much time telling you that he's been right for years and blasting anyone who agrees with him now but didn't agree with him 5 years ago
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Although Ph has grown on me, he is a condescending prick a lot of times.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
I think a lot more people would agree with Ph if he didn't spend so much time telling you that he's been right for years and blasting anyone who agrees with him now but didn't agree with him 5 years ago
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The article title is perfect for this thread. Dan's intended use is obvious, of course. On the other hand, PhDeac really does Show Us How Much He Knows in every post. I learned something today.
 
Mundy could actually be seen talking poorly about Wake Forest sports on their facebook page over the weekend. When Wellman has lost Mundy, who can he still possibly have?
 
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