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MTOW, Dan's Desire for Peace & Harmony

bobknightfan said:
Very well. It is obvious that it is impossible to rationally discuss the man's coaching on this board, because emotion always trumps reason.
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This post is funny to read considering the avatar of a screaming madman directly to the left of it.
 
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bobknightfan said:
Maybe you should concentrate on the words and not the pictures. You're a WF grad. I know you can do it with just a little more effort.
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I'm a WF graduate, Bob, not a grad. Do you call your country a cunt? (Don't answer that, rhetorical question.)
 
bobknightfan said:
I don't see any seedings in that tournament. Xavier finished the season 25-11. They beat Toledo (19-11), Wake Forest (17-14) & Princeton (22-8). Which one of those teams do you think was favored over Xavier that year? I never said he didn't win a post-season game, but that he never beat a better-seeded team.

Is this all you've got?
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Skip won more conference tournaments than Tacy. (1998 Atlantic 10 Tourney, Whoop Whoop!) #TrueStory

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This, just this: (Tacy's Wake Forest performance in the ACC Tournament)

1973: Lost in 2nd round (7th seed)
1974: Lost in 1st round (6th seed)
1975: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1976: Lost in 1st round (5th seed)
1977: Lost in 1st round (2nd seed)
1978: Lost in title game (5th seed)
1979: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1980: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1981: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1982: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1983: Lost in 1st round (1st round)
1984: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1985: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)

Jesus. Seriously, that's an atrocious performance over the long haul.
 
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bobknightfan said:
Well, if you are a WF graduate, you should be able to read without being distracted by pictures, wouldn't you think?
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Was busy reading about Gentleman Carl's postseason futility. Why do the old-timers think he was such a good game coach? Saw a lot of early round exits on his record. #MediumSizeSampleDeac
 
wfu22fan said:
In college , Chill was better as a player than CP3
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Um no. Chill was amazing in college and the 95 ACCt was definitely the greatest 3 game stretch by any Wake player ever. But CP3 as a soph was sensational. The dude was 20 years old and entirely orchestrated the best college offense of at least the last ten years.

Chris is one of the top 5 point guards to ever play the game. If he can get a few rings he could go down as the greatest PG to ever play the game.
 
bobknightfan said:
I wasn't talking about emotion regarding the team.
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We know. You were implying that people are emotionally tied up in Skip and thus do not rationally judge his coaching ability.

Slim was pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who hero worships Bob Knight, and thus does not rationally judge his off and on the court transgressions, making the inference that you made.
 
bobknightfan said:
My ratings are my ratings. You can make your own ratings any way you wish. (And I disagree that RC was better than Skip, though I would rate Childress as the 3rd best guard in WF history. Don't know for sure who I'd pick to finish out the top five. Probably Packer & Murdock, off the top of my head, but I'd like to think about it. Bob Leonard should get some top 5 consideration, too.)

(And Paul didn't achieve shit in his two years. The 2005 team may have had the most talent of any team in WF history....and lost in the first round of the ACC Tournament, then couldn't get out of the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament. Skip Brown helped get a team to the Elite Eight. And Brown's numbers are much better than Childress' numbers.)
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And you are basing this on what? All those games you saw Randolph Childress play?
 
IrishSlim said:
Skip won more conference tournaments than Tacy. (1998 Atlantic 10 Tourney, Whoop Whoop!) #TrueStory

ETA:

This, just this: (Tacy's Wake Forest performance in the ACC Tournament)

1973: Lost in 2nd round (7th seed)
1974: Lost in 1st round (6th seed)
1975: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1976: Lost in 1st round (5th seed)
1977: Lost in 1st round (2nd seed)
1978: Lost in title game (5th seed)
1979: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1980: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1981: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1982: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1983: Lost in 1st round (1st round)
1984: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1985: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)

Jesus. Seriously, that's an atrocious performance over the long haul.
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Those teams played to what their seed was every year, except for 1977 and 1978. That's not atrocious. It's beating the teams you should beat and losing to those that are better. It's at least consistent.
 
Yes.

bkf needs to quit the boards again. If somebody hasn't posted at all, don't assume they are ducking a thread. Assume they are busy of the boards. I don't owe you people anything. How dare somebody take their kids out for Christmas shopping, come back home late, give them baths, put them to bed and pass out.
 
IrishSlim said:
Skip won more conference tournaments than Tacy. (1998 Atlantic 10 Tourney, Whoop Whoop!) #TrueStory

ETA:

This, just this: (Tacy's Wake Forest performance in the ACC Tournament)

1973: Lost in 2nd round (7th seed)
1974: Lost in 1st round (6th seed)
1975: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1976: Lost in 1st round (5th seed)
1977: Lost in 1st round (2nd seed)
1978: Lost in title game (5th seed)
1979: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1980: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1981: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1982: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1983: Lost in 1st round (1st round)
1984: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1985: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)

Jesus. Seriously, that's an atrocious performance over the long haul.
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Unfortunately, every Wake Forest coach over the last fifty years who was not coaching Tim Duncan has a similar record of ACCT futility.
 
bobknightfan said:
In the NCAA Tournament, Tacy beat a 26-1 Arkansas team that had won 18 straight games and a 24-2 DePaul team that was a #1 seed.

No other coach in WF history has ever come remotely close to pulling off two huge wins like that in the NCAA Tournament....when his team was a decided underdog. That's coaching. Taking arguably the most talented team in WF history as a #2 seed into the NCAA Tournament and losing in the first weekend of the tournament is not.

ETA: And with the NCAA Tournament taking 5-8 teams or whatever from the ACC, conference tournaments no longer mean much of anything anymore unless you are a bubble team. Back when the NCAA was only 32 teams and only took 1 or 2 teams from a conference it was an entirely different situation.

And as I have mentioned many times, the ACC was absolutely loaded with super basketball programs when Carl Tacy was the coach at WF. During that time, every single team in the ACC except Maryland made at least one Elite Eight...and Maryland made three Sweet Sixteens. Four different teams made a Final Four. And Tacy inherited a program that was rock-bottom, with only a couple of assistants, almost no recruiting budget, almost no television exposure....and had to show recruits & play games in a shithole. How many posters on this board had the opportunity to go to a game in Memorial Coliseum? And in spite of all of that, he rebuilt the program to the point where he won 20+ games four straight years, had WF ranked as high as #3 in the nation, made two Elite Eights....and won 10 games against Carolina teams that were ranked in the top 10 in the nation.
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I'll assume you are addressing me, since you quoted my post. I remember the '84 Depaul game very well. However, that and the '77 Arkansas game were in the NCAA tournament. The other list was about the ACC Tourney. Tacy's record was consistent at best in that tourney. A couple of years where the team either exceeded or failed to meet their seeding, many others where they won the games they should and lost the ones they were expected to lose.

I think that Tacy is generally underrated and under-appreciated by the Wake fan base.

And yes, I attended many many games at Memorial Coliseum.
 
IrishSlim said:
Skip won more conference tournaments than Tacy. (1998 Atlantic 10 Tourney, Whoop Whoop!) #TrueStory

ETA:

This, just this: (Tacy's Wake Forest performance in the ACC Tournament)

1973: Lost in 2nd round (7th seed)
1975: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1976: Lost in 1st round (5th seed)
1977: Lost in 1st round (2nd seed)
1978: Lost in title game (5th seed)
1979: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1980: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)
1981: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1982: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1983: Lost in 1st round (1st round)
1984: Lost in 2nd round (3rd seed)
1985: Lost in 1st round (7th seed)

Jesus. Seriously, that's an atrocious performance over the long haul.
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Be advised that in '73 there were only 7 teams in the conference, and #1 had a bye.

The Wake victory over the hated goats was nothing short of legend.

ETA: That is why we loved Tacy. He could beat Dean.
 
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Yeah and in 1974 we were so bad they didn't even let us play in the greatest game ever played in the ACC title game.
 
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