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VT job now open - 2 and done !

MichDeac25 said:
There are two ACC job openings - Wake and Va Tech. You're a good coach at an okay program. One school let the previous coach get 4 years to get his recruits in and develop them. The other school canned the coach after two years, giving him maybe one recruiting class. Who do you choose? Keep in mind, after rising to the ACC and then being let go, you taking a big step back down. Even if money is the only factor for you - you maximize your money at the school with 4 years.
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you think it's just this simple?
 
MichDeac25 said:
There are two ACC job openings - Wake and Va Tech. You're a good coach at an okay program. One school let the previous coach get 4 years to get his recruits in and develop them. The other school canned the coach after two years, giving him maybe one recruiting class. Who do you choose? Keep in mind, after rising to the ACC and then being let go, you taking a big step back down. Even if money is the only factor for you - you maximize your money at the school with 4 years.
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It doesn't really matter who would choose us over them. What matters is who their AD chooses compared to our AD.
 
uh VT's guy was a total n00b with his first HC job and (somehow) a worse record than us, despite having some pretty decent players, especially last year. he sucked worse than buzz
 
Milhouse said:
you think it's just this simple?
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On the issue of 2 years versus 4 years. Yes, I do. I'm not saying the programs are equivalent. But that makes the situation even worse at Va Tech. You give a new coach 2 years at a school that hasn't had a lot of historic success at basketball?
 
MichDeac25 said:
There are two ACC job openings - Wake and Va Tech. You're a good coach at an okay program. One school let the previous coach get 4 years to get his recruits in and develop them. The other school canned the coach after two years, giving him maybe one recruiting class. Who do you choose? Keep in mind, after rising to the ACC and then being let go, you taking a big step back down. Even if money is the only factor for you - you maximize your money at the school with 4 years.
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Johnson was an asst. at VT for 4 seasons prior to taking the HC gig. He was responsible for recruiting/developing everyone on the current team, and the AD probably knew what he had with Johnson by this point.
 
MichDeac25 said:
On the issue of 2 years versus 4 years. Yes, I do. I'm not saying the programs are equivalent. But that makes the situation even worse at Va Tech. You give a new coach 2 years at a school that hasn't had a lot of historic success at basketball?
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VT being VT has 100X more to do with their next coach than firing Johnson after 2 years. I'm sure it has some effect, but I don't think the effect is worth spending one or two more years going nowhere (like we did). If the firing is perceived as being baseless or unfair, then you have a problem. If you can show specific problems with a coach or the direction he's taking the team (easily done with Bz) then you have a very small effect.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
VT being VT has 100X more to do with their next coach than firing Johnson after 2 years. I'm sure it has some effect, but I don't think the effect is worth spending one or two more years going nowhere (like we did). If the firing is perceived as being baseless or unfair, then you have a problem. If you can show specific problems with a coach or the direction he's taking the team (easily done with Bz) then you have a very small effect.
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What if the previous coach also only got 2 years?
 
VT has a new Pres/Chancellor as well as a new AD. I guess they both wanted 'their guy' and that's fine but the touchy part is Johnson is a black man only 2 years on the job. Dunno how many black coaches/head coaches VT has/has had but in this day and age, this kinda move often raises eyebrows with outside watchers. Presumedly, they must feel they had a strong case for termination this soon.

Obviously, VT is a classic 'football school' but they did recently build a snazzy Miller type hoops center only with more bells and whistles. Cassel is old and the seats are very cramped/outdated....kinda akin to what Cole Fieldhouse was like. They've done some minor renovations/painting in the hallways of late but nothing major that I'm aware of.
 
qcdeac said:
Johnson was an asst. at VT for 4 seasons prior to taking the HC gig. He was responsible for recruiting/developing everyone on the current team, and the AD probably knew what he had with Johnson by this point.
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Apparently not. Otherwise, he wouldn't have hired him.
 
MichDeac25 said:
What if the previous coach also only got 2 years?
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That would obviously make it worse. But that was not the case in either situation. And there you are looking at either very bad management from the AD, or just a bad program in general...both of which would deter coaches anyway.
 
HONDO2 said:
VT has a new Pres/Chancellor as well as a new AD. I guess they both wanted 'their guy' and that's fine but the touchy part is Johnson is a black man only 2 years on the job. Dunno how many black coaches/head coaches VT has/has had but in this day and age, this kinda move often raises eyebrows with outside watchers. Presumedly, they must feel they had a strong case for termination this soon.

Obviously, VT is a classic 'football school' but they did recently build a snazzy Miller type hoops center only with more bells and whistles. Cassel is old and the seats are very cramped/outdated....kinda akin to what Cole Fieldhouse was like. They've done some minor renovations/painting in the hallways of late but nothing major that I'm aware of.
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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the god damned kitchen!!!
 
Turd Ferguson said:
That would obviously make it worse. But that was not the case in either situation. And there you are looking at either very bad management from the AD, or just a bad program in general...both of which would deter coaches anyway.
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Sounds more like bad management from the AD at VT. You fire Greenberg, who had done an alright job with a not-great program. You're looking for a new direction for the team. So who do you hire? His assistant. And then when that assistant, in his first HC gig, doesn't do as well as you had hoped, you fire him after 2 years.

Yep, VT is going to come out smelling clean as springtime mint to coaches looking for a great ACC job.
 
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Johnson was an odd hire to begin with. He had no head coaching experience and left VT (he had been an assistant under Greenberg) to take an assistant's job at Clemson because it was clear that Seth Greenberg was on thin ice. The hire came totally came out of left field. While I have no problem with the hiring of a qualified assistant coach, it's not like VT hired Pitino's or Izzo's top assistant. Johnson wasn't even getting sniffs from low and mid-majors when he got the VT job. Given those circumstances, I don't think that VT firing Johnson after two years; would hurt their search as much if VT had fired a more established coach.
 
Completely standard for a new AD to want to bring in his own guy. Firing after 2 years won't hurt VT's search at all.
 
VA Tech's AD was just hired last year and came from Cincinnati so he didn't have anything to do with hiring James Johnson. He did some good things while at Cincinnatti including hiring Tuberville away from Texas Tech.

I would not be surprised to see Va Tech make a better hire than Wake does. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Sounds more like bad management from the AD at VT. You fire Greenberg, who had done an alright job with a not-great program. You're looking for a new direction for the team. So who do you hire? His assistant. And then when that assistant, in his first HC gig, doesn't do as well as you had hoped, you fire him after 2 years.

Yep, VT is going to come out smelling clean as springtime mint to coaches looking for a great ACC job.
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