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Official Hoops Coaching Search Thread - Welcome Danny Manning!!!

I hope it is one of these two guys

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RedSoxFaithful said:
I would ease up on Manning's 2013-14 season. His team really put it together in the second half of the season. If you watched the CUSA CG, they talked a little bit about the struggles his team had early on, and it sounded like typical frosh/soph inexperience. I posted about it last month I think, but Manning had something like 80% of his production coming from frosh/soph this year. I know we've heard youth as an excuse all too often these past four years, but Tulsa was very, very young this season, and they really got going nicely after the rough start.

I'd also call his big man development his biggest strength, rather than recruiting. Dude churned out and molded some very impressive centers and power forwards in his time at Kansas, and actually got a lot of recognition for it. After the last four years, I'd love to see us have another big, skilled center again. I think Manning would accomplish that.

I'd be optimistic in his recruiting, but that's definitely more of a crapshoot than our other candidates, I think.

Again, he'd be down my list, but he wouldn't be an absolutely miserable hire. I'd give him the C+ that someone else suggested. Problem is, we need someone a full grade higher.
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The irony is that his own big men at Tulsa got worse between years one and two. I hear you, but, and my earlier posts aside, this sounds eerily like the [he who shall not be named] excuse mongering, only in a pitiful mid-major conference context.
 
wfumike02 said:
No, but he's recruiting better at Xavier than guys like Matta and Sean Miller did. There's a comparison. Danny Manning doesn't even have a basis of comparison, and from what we do know (the guys he recruited to KU, his recruiting at Tulsa as noted in this thread) it's mediocre.
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Xavier being in a better conference now and standing on the shoulders of the development from Sean Miller and Matta has a lot do with Mack's recruiting. Frankly, I'd rather go with Manning than Mack. Mack is okay. I'm not sure I see a ton more upside there though.
 
WestchesterDeac said:
Before I even type this, I know people are going to say 1) there's that LOWF attitude and 2) you never post, who are you to comment. But here goes anyway:

While I too would love Shaka or Marshall, there is nothing in Wake Forest's past that should get people TRULY optimistic over making such a hire.

For those of you too young to remember, me not included, there was a similar attitude at the time of Bob Staak's departure (I had the privilege of watching that shit show while at Wake) - minus the energy of the internet and fan boards. At that time, the Shaka/Marshall dream equivalent was Gary Williams - it didn't end well - http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...jYdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uaUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6862,6050112 - this article makes it sound nice, the bottom line was he made it pretty clear Wake was beneath him and sure enough 8 months later he had no problem dealing with the "pressure" that came with getting the Ohio State job - http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...gMiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yaYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5077,3515551. BTW, for $75K per year.

In contrast we ended up with Dave Odom, a guy who had most recently been an ass't at UVA for 7 years and before that head coach at ECU, of all places, for 3 years, the last 2 of which ended with losing records. Odom delivered some very good years - and I know, he had Duncan, Childress, and Rogers, but any coach we hire should recruit better than Bzz.

Eventually Odom left and we got Skip. Great in many ways, but his last 3 years at Xavier were an NCAA first round exit and two NIT appearances - not exactly an "on fire" candidate. That too worked out rather well.

Wake simply is not, as much as some want to think otherwise, Kentucky, Duke, Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville, or Michigan St. We're not the dream school of the hottest candidate out there.

So we can debate all night about Shaka/Marshall, but the more likely scenario is Mack or Manning or White - despite statements by our AD or whomever about "swinging for the fences". And, the odds are any of these three will work out just fine - like Skip and Odom did - our last hire was just incredibly poor in all respects, from Day 1 and we need to move on. Personally I'd like Mack - eight 4-star recruits in the last 4 years going up against some tough competition in the Midwest - Crean, Matta, Izzo etc etc. And, 4 NCAA appearances in 5 years, including two Sweet Sixteen's both times including upsets of higher ranked teams (something Wake has never been good at)
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Well said
 
I need an article from Dan Collins in tomorrows newspaper blasting this hire. Nothing against Manning but preemptively telling Wellman he needs to do better might push him toward Howland.
 
StreakinTheQuad said:
Face it guys: we caught lightning in a bottle three times (Rogers, Duncan, CP3) with barely anything to show for it. The bball gods are essentially saying "you had your chance... now go hang out with VT and Clemson". #LOWF
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VT? We cannot hang with them any longer. They appear interested in making basketball something of value with their coaching hire...
 
ChrisL68 said:
These stats don't scream one man team to me.

GAME STATISTICS
PlayerGPMINPPGRPGAPGSPGBPGTPGFG%FT%3P%
James Woodard3432.415.55.91.80.90.21.4.438.781.387
Rashad Smith2824.912.04.91.10.70.91.4.545.560.200
Shaquille Harrison3430.29.63.93.21.80.22.3.446.681.267
Pat Swilling, Jr.2022.68.62.01.20.60.11.3.371.615.333
D'Andre Wright3417.17.43.90.40.30.51.4.457.694.375
Rashad Ray3421.16.82.12.51.00.01.2.481.736.286
Lew Evans3420.65.34.10.60.30.11.1.344.581.259
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With the exceptions of Harrison and Woodard, not a single guy on that roster improved statistically between 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. With a team made up exclusively of freshmen and sophomores, you'd expect a few of those guys to take significant leaps statistically, but nobody did. Outside of the fact that the offense revolved around Woodard, I'm wondering what your explanations for that phenomenon might be?
 
StreakinTheQuad said:
Face it guys: we caught lightning in a bottle three times (Rogers, Duncan, CP3) with barely anything to show for it. The bball gods are essentially saying "you had your chance... now go hang out with VT and Clemson". #LOWF
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You realize we've had teams before the 90's that were good? Hell, we even made the first NCAAT in 1939.
 
Strickland33 said:
The irony is that his own big men at Tulsa got worse between years one and two. I hear you, but, and my earlier posts aside, this sounds eerily like the [he who shall not be named] excuse mongering, only in a pitiful mid-major conference context.
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Yeah.
 
We need to make a big play for Howland. He'll get us back into the tourney and in the top half of the league. Ron will be gone in a few years and hopefully we can find an AD with some energy and creativity who can take us to the next level if need be. Granted, it's more likely we make a shitty hire now and replace Ron with some AD sycophant.
 
So if Buzz was taking first on a wild pitch and Shaka would have been a home run, what is Danny Manning?
 
Strickland33 said:
With the exceptions of Harrison and Woodard, not a single guy on that roster improved statistically between 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. With a team made up exclusively of freshmen and sophomores, you'd expect a few of those guys to take significant leaps statistically, but nobody did. Outside of the fact that the offense revolved around Woodard, I'm wondering what your explanations for that phenomenon might be?
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Yet somehow they improved over 100 places in kenpom, and won their conference regular season and tourney and went to the big dance.

Something just isn't adding up here.
 
Yeah, how much do the Howland haters hate Howland now that they've see a man like Manning as the alternative to Howland who they hate?
 
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