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Official Hoops Coaching Search Thread - Welcome Danny Manning!!!

Relying on Manning's playing career to highlight his coaching resume/potential is just as silly as totally ignoring it. It matters. How much can be debated, but it's not like his NCAA Championship ring is from chess.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Wake must be a really unattractive job when the best we can get is a coach who has only only two years head coaching experience with only one semi-decent season in a bullshit conference. That's hard to accept but I guess it's where we are. Congrats LOWF, you have won the day. Congrats Ron, you've beaten the fanbase down to where they stupidly think this is an acdeptable hire.
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Spun completely the opposite way we have a guy who has won at every single level of basketball. As a player, an assistant, and a head coach where he just got COY in only his second season. He's younger, more recognizable, and could be the big man coach we've never had. I see no reason not to be excited.
 
RJKarl said:
He's also been coached by legends. some of that has likely rubbed off. He's been around the highest levels of basketball his entire life. He's been an assistant on a national championship team. he's recruited for a Top 5 school against the likes of Duke, UNC , KY. He's been to The Dance as a coach.

His overall resume is bigger than White's or the other Second tier coaches.

Your hypothetical was insane.
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Good post. I'm in on Manning as well.
 
RJKarl said:
Versus the coach you wanted who got run out of LA and alienated almost the AAU coaches whom he had come in contact with. You wanted who was paid $3.5M to go away.
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Congrats on your small time loser mentality. VT got a much better hire than us. You could not have been more wrong on how this would go down.
 
TownieDeac said:
Spun completely the opposite way we have a guy who has won at every single level of basketball. As a player, an assistant, and a head coach where he just got COY in only his second season. He's younger, more recognizable, and could be the big man coach we've never had. I see no reason not to be excited.
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YES

Again, Manning's biggest plus is that we don't have any evidence that he sucks
 
IrishSlim said:
Relying on Manning's playing career to highlight his coaching resume/potential is just as silly as totally ignoring it. It matters. How much can be debated, but it's not like his NCAA Championship ring is from chess.
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How much does it matter, though? I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm actually saying it's the major reason why he's considered a good potential hire. So let's debate it.

Or we can do what we did with the Buzz hire and talk ourselves into it purely because he's "DANNY MANNING!!"
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
No one is hiring 2/5 of a coach. This is moronic.

All Manning's resume lacks -- from being bulletproof -- is a few more years of head coaching success. He's inexperienced. We get it. That's the risk. Everything else looks in his profile looks outstanding, including his limited work at Tulsa. That's the upside. Personally, I think the mix is good enough for an ACC job. It's not like this guy is Bzz.

To be unable to hope that those early resume-building, winning years will now be on Wake's sidelines -- and that we got a hot, rising young coach before the other vultures could snag him -- is ... I can't even find the right word. Sad?
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OK - where do you see this?

Is it the #72 finish on kenpom?
The fact that he won one of the shittiest mid-major conferences in D1?
The 23-point loss to Wichita State?
The 17-point loss to UCLA in the NCAA Tournament?
The fact that he's recruited one consensus three-star player at Tulsa?
The fact that only two players on his roster saw significant statistical increases between years one and two?
The fact that the only guy he recruited to KU by himself was Perry Ellis (who, let's face it, wasn't going anywhere)?
The fact that his mobility up the Kansas bench took curiously long despite his supposed credentials?

His resume sucks. S-U-C-K-S.

I'm done with hope. This is rock bottom.

It's time to #ManUp, but #WellmanOut. Off with his fucking head.
 
700 pages and over 14000 posts and we're now discussing Danny Manning as our new head coach...

Who would have thought?......:squint:
 
IrishSlim said:
Relying on Manning's playing career to highlight his coaching resume/potential is just as silly as totally ignoring it. It matters. How much can be debated, but it's not like his NCAA Championship ring is from chess.
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A few posters have a repetitive, weird, total inability to see Manning's entire profile, which includes his personality, playing background, assistant coaching experience, and limited head coaching success. They just lop off one aspect of his resume and claim that's all people care about.
 
TownieDeac said:
Spun completely the opposite way we have a guy who has won at every single level of basketball. As a player, an assistant, and a head coach where he just got COY in only his second season. He's younger, more recognizable, and could be the big man coach we've never had. I see no reason not to be excited.
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No. We got a guy who lost to Oral Roberts at home this past season. Who only has two years of head coaching experience and has had only one decent season. The unknowns outweigh the knowns by a mile.
 
bigdoublezero said:
How much does it matter, though? I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm actually saying it's the major reason why he's considered a good potential hire. So let's debate it.

Or we can do what we did with the Buzz hire and talk ourselves into it purely because he's "DANNY MANNING!!"
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See the last four pages of responses to your hypothetical for plenty of reasoned, measured answers.
 
deacvision7 said:
This.
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Agreed. I like that he played for Larry Brown. He coached as an assistant under Bill Self and had tremendous success in as a player and assistant learning from some great coaches. He's a big man, which should parlay into help us get some big men who want to learn from him. He has lots of credibility to kids who want and expect to be in the league. And in his first shot as an HC, he has been pretty successful considering that he was not left very much. I will certainly get behind him and support him and the program.

I also suspect that RW learned from the last search to make sure the fanbase knew he was trying to land some big names, and that it didn't pan out as he had hoped with a home run. I'm OK with Manning. Frankly, I like him a lot more than Miller.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
A few posters have a repetitive, weird, total inability to see Manning's entire profile, which includes his personality, playing background, assistant coaching experience, and limited head coaching success. They just lop off one aspect of his resume and claim that's all people care about.
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You are a piece of work.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Why did you lie rj? You said Wake was an attractive job. We look like a fucking joke compared to VT, a school you mocked mercilessly.
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One night I was at Yonkers Raceway. A guy had a fistful of tickets. He dropped one. I picked it up and yelled at him. He didn't turn around. He had bet an exacta with a horse that had come in last in each of its last eight races. Damn if that exacta didn't come in and pay $212.

I was blindly likely. VT was blindly lucky.

We have an attractive job with a very unattractive AD. I've been openly and loudly Wellmanout for nearly two years. He's our biggest liability.
 
TownieDeac said:
Spun completely the opposite way we have a guy who has won at every single level of basketball. As a player, an assistant, and a head coach where he just got COY in only his second season. He's younger, more recognizable, and could be the big man coach we've never had. I see no reason not to be excited.
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And yet certain posters cannot fathom the possibility that he could succeed at his next stop as well. It's a "fact."
 
Misplaced said:
So I'm standing on a trade show floor in Vancouver with a KU grad who thinks Manning is a great choice for Wake. He said that Manning was the best liked assistant under Self and had an obvious close relationship with his players. Do I think Manning is the answer, no, but he is an upgrade from the last 4 years
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Well that is certainly more appealing than my macho, ball-busting friends who think Wake should just shut up and be happy to have Danny Frickin' Manning cuz Rock Hawk Jaychalk or something!! The point being is despite our fairly impressive track record of success (with obvious hiccups along the way) over the past 50+ years, that doesn't matter cuz Wake is too small, and too white and too boring to appeal to urban, black youths who are good at basketball. To me that is LOWF because it does nothing but harp on the potential negatives with no credence given to all of the many positives about Wake nor the evidence that it CAN be done (see Odom, see Skip etc).

But ya, I'm pragmatic and I'm realistic and I'll accept Danny Manning with a somewhat optimistic outlook if he takes the bull by the proverbial horns like Dave Clawson seemingly has. Obviously, we won't know for a couple of years if he was the right hire or not, but I'm already full prepared to accept that no matter what, we are always going to be fighting this perception battle, not just among ourselves, but especially with the general public who doesn't give a flip about Wake's Top 25 ranking and all that other stuff we posted on the "What Shaka Needs to Know" thread.

I think we were all looking for that transformational (is that a word?) figure who could turn the tide of doubt and LOWF that permeates any discussion of big-time NCAA athletics. There was no assurance that Shaka Smart was that guy. I think he'd have a pretty good shot at meeting those lofty expectations. Having said that, I'm not going to write-off Danny Manning just yet. Hope he does serious work and I can rub it in my friend's faces.
 
Buzz Peterson had success at Tulsa. Buzz-freaking Peterson. He is a renowned dumbass, and if he can have success there - 26-11 in his only season and the NIT which he parlayed into the Tennessee job - then it proves ANYONE can have success at Tulsa.
 
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