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Eyes Over Compton: How Police Spied on a Whole City

RJKarl said:
In the places I named they would pass overwhelmingly.

Hell in Germany, they have no problem with allowing the government to take the car registration fees from their bank account if they haven't paid and are late.
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That's speculative. I know there was controversy over CCTV when it was first introduced in England. I'm not sure about the others, but I'd love to know more.

Having participated in movements against police surveillance in lower income neighborhoods in NY, I'm going to guess that there are some folks in Compton that are cool with this in principle, but very few cool with it in practice. That doesn't matter, though, seeing as the program was launched without the consent of Compton citizens...
 
What NYC was doing was patently unconstitutional. I can't believe it's allowed at all. Walking while black or Hispanic does not eliminate the Fourth Amendment.
 
RJKarl said:
What NYC was doing was patently unconstitutional. I can't believe it's allowed at all. Walking while black or Hispanic does not eliminate the Fourth Amendment.
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Hey, if they didn't want to be viewed in a sweeping drug surveillance operation, they shouldn't live near drug dealers. #saysRJaboutdronestrikecollaterals
 
ChrisL68 said:
I wasn't aware that Lobo was gangbanging in Compton. That changes everything!!!!! Thanks!!!!!
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So all citizens of the (quite large) city of Compton, which like most municipalities has good and bad neighborhoods, gangbang now?

I'd love to see some data on that.
 
Strickland33 said:
So all citizens of the (quite large) city of Compton, which like most municipalities has good and bad neighborhoods, gangbang now?

I'd love to see some data on that.
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I never said that.

Not really sure how I feel about this yet, but I understand if you are going to test it, then a high crime area does make sense to do it in.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I never said that.

Not really sure how I feel about this yet, but I understand if you are going to test it, then a high crime area does make sense to do it in.
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If all citizens aren't criminals, then isn't that a major violation of their rights?

That's the issue, IMO. Most people living in shitty neighborhoods are good, hardworking people...

ETA: At the very least, they deserve the opportunity to know what is going on in the name of "keeping them safe." I just don't see this playing out very well in a rich neighborhood for just that reason.
 
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I am not sure you have an expectation of privacy if you are out in the open. If this could see into houses, then absolutely.

This isn't much different than those helicopters that track speeders on highways, just better technology.
 
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RJKarl said:
What NYC was doing was patently unconstitutional. I can't believe it's allowed at all. Walking while black or Hispanic does not eliminate the Fourth Amendment.
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There is just no way you can reconcile this viewpoint with your position on drones. None.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I am not sure you have an expectation of privacy if you are out in the open. If this could see into houses, then absolutely.

This isn't much different than those helicopters that track speeders on highways, just better technology.
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Fair points, but would surveillance of backyards or other private property complicate this?

Liquid Karma said:
There is just no way you can reconcile this viewpoint with your position on drones. None.
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Spot on.
 
That's a good point and it certainly complicates this re: on private property out of public ground view but exposed to the eye in the sky.
 
Strickland33 said:
If all citizens aren't criminals, then isn't that a major violation of their rights?

That's the issue, IMO. Most people living in shitty neighborhoods are good, hardworking people...

ETA: At the very least, they deserve the opportunity to know what is going on in the name of "keeping them safe." I just don't see this playing out very well in a rich neighborhood for just that reason.
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A question for the lawyers- If you are something in public, is there any legal expectation of privacy?
 
ChrisL68 said:
That's a good point and it certainly complicates this re: on private property out of public ground view but exposed to the eye in the sky.
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If I remember correctly from law school, which was a long time ago, there was a case about this where planes were flown over drug fields on private property that were disguised at ground level but visible from the air. I think the outcome was that as long as it didn't have a roof or something on it that would require removing or getting on the property to look under, it was fair game to view from the air.
 
What happens when other countries get drone tech in the coming years and try to retaliate against our drone attacks? Are we going to see wars fought in the skies between drone forces?
 
Liquid Karma said:
What happens when other countries get drone tech in the coming years and try to retaliate against our drone attacks? Are we going to see wars fought in the skies between drone forces?
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Without a doubt.
 
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