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Two soccer questions

SDeacz said:
Yes. That's right. But I think my point is that embellishing or diving goes unpunished in soccer. Kudos to the NHL for having a penalty for that and possible fine. Because of the stiff penalty, you don't see it very often in hockey, or at least go unpunished.

My point is there is no way to remove it from the sport completely. There are ways to help deter it. Other sports have taken that action to deter it. Soccer has not. It's still a great sport and I enjoy watching. But I cringe at the diving, and moreso, the screams of agony for fouls that don't even cause a bruise.

I should have said, I didn't see a dive go unpunished.
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Soccer gives cards for dives if the referee sees it as a dive. So you're wrong there.
 
Also...


[h=3]Uefa bans Eduardo for two matches - BBC News[/h]news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8232544.stm
Sep 1, 2009 - Arsenal striker Eduardo has been banned for two games by Uefa for diving to win a penalty against Celtic last week.



But the decision was overturned on appeal because it was shown that there was the slightest of contacts with Eduardo's leg as he fell. Gotta love those technicalities!
 
SDeacz said:
Yes it does occur in every sport. But 1 flop can decide a game in soccer. One flop can result In 100% of the scoring. And at the very least, 25%. Usually.

Basketball that is definitely not the case. And there are fines to discourage it. Unlike soccer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a flop in hockey. Football you can pull out some isolated examples. But 6 officials on the field prevent a lot of flopping.

Either adding another ref or 2 and/or introducing fines would benefit the sport. You can't completely prevent it any sport. But you can take steps to make it not as prevalent. I think that flop call in the Brazil game completely changed the game. Which is a shame.
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I will concede your point that it is more likely in soccer, but a well-timed flop can determine the outcome of the game in any sport.

But don't get me wrong. I am not a apologist for all things related to soccer, and I'm not defending it at all. It needs to be cleaned up. The Italian victory in 2006 was a disappointment to me for that reason. However, we did get this...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vl2F6P8bw9w
 
Palmettodeac said:
I will concede your point that it is more likely in soccer, but a well-timed flop can determine the outcome of the game in any sport.

But don't get me wrong. I am not a apologist for all things related to soccer, and I'm not defending it at all. It needs to be cleaned up. The Italian victory in 2006 was a disappointment to me for that reason. However, we did get this...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vl2F6P8bw9w
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The best part of that is the Ferrari in the parking lot.
 
SDeacz said:
But I cringe at the diving, and moreso, the screams of agony for fouls that don't even cause a bruise.
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As a once every four years guy, this is the worst part. There is selling it and then there is what soccer players do. It is like they expect the entire soccer viewing audience who likely played contact sports growing up to be fooled by them rolling around, holding their leg after a soft collision.
 
CheesePritchard said:
As a once every four years guy, this is the worst part. There is selling it and then there is what soccer players do. It is like they expect the entire soccer viewing audience who likely played contact sports growing up to be fooled by them rolling around, holding their leg after a soft collision.
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I hate it too, but for some reason it is just a part of the Latin culture. (Both southwestern Europe and Latin America).
 
The Key & Peele soccer sketch is mandatory watching here.
 
ok question, how often does a team become the beneficiary of a red card and pk? I thought the call in the Honduras game was unduly harsh. Yes, it probably was a foul in the box, but by giving a red and a pk the game is over(several people said game over in thread). Was the red because they stopped a goal chance? Just thought a regular yellow, and a pk would have been more appropriate.
 
Middle eastern teams are pretty good/persistent at diving as well. It peaked in 2006, and is getting better.
 
Did not read through all 8 pages so if this has been said before, sorry.
When a player causes a foul he causes it towards his opponents TEAM, not against a specific person. We tend to try to compare it to basketball where when the person fouled is then the shooter. If you can accept that then it makes a little more sense.
 
CheesePritchard said:
As a once every four years guy, this is the worst part. There is selling it and then there is what soccer players do. It is like they expect the entire soccer viewing audience who likely played contact sports growing up to be fooled by them rolling around, holding their leg after a soft collision.
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I've always suspected that its a combination of

1. making enough of the contact to make sure the referee (who could be quite a ways away) sees the foul.
2. Once on the ground: making the foul seem significant enough that the referee doesn't immediately suspect that I was diving in the first place.
3. Once on the ground: taking my time getting up in order to buy a quick breather for myself and my teammates.
4. #culture.

Also if you are an attacking player with little or no defensive responsibilities your team is less likely to get burned by you staying on the ground a little longer than necessary.
 
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