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Grobe says "ask me in 3 years"

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When analyzing Wake Forest recruiting this is the phrase that follows -- ask me in 3 years.

We fans know we struggled with 2006 and 2007 classes so we have some gaps. The stubborn fan who fails to adequately assess the challenges just shrugs his shoulders and says "what are the excuses for 2006 and 2007?"

The long time College Football fan says to him "What the Fk are you talking about...this is Wake Forest...have you taken out your yearly guide and looked at the history of coaches and records!?" If you have not recently then do so now --- Jim Grobe is exactly the right coach at the right place at the right time and what he has done and will continue to do dwarfs all other coaches who came before. Don't listen to me --- Pick up Your God Damn Guide and get on board for another run --

So..."ask me in 3 years" is the mantra at a school that does not or is not yet able to get the guys who are ready right out of the box...the RS program is all important as is the staff's ability to 'pro-ject' a ballplayer.

Daniel Mack, Dom Tate, Duran Lowe, Mike Olson, Justin Jackson, Frank Souza, John Gallagher, Kris Redding, Nikita Whitlock represent the D-Side of this class and right now there are, according to staff, 'no misses' in this bunch. Some nagging issues appear to be resolved for Souza and Gallagher and the hope is that the light comes on early in 2011 for those 2.

Lots to be optimistic about with the future of Deacon Football.
 
When analyzing Wake Forest recruiting this is the phrase that follows -- ask me in 3 years.

We fans know we struggled with 2006 and 2007 classes so we have some gaps. The stubborn fan who fails to adequately assess the challenges just shrugs his shoulders and says "what are the excuses for 2006 and 2007?"

The long time College Football fan says to him "What the Fk are you talking about...this is Wake Forest...have you taken out your yearly guide and looked at the history of coaches and records!?" If you have not recently then do so now --- Jim Grobe is exactly the right coach at the right place at the right time and what he has done and will continue to do dwarfs all other coaches who came before. Don't listen to me --- Pick up Your God Damn Guide and get on board for another run --

So..."ask me in 3 years" is the mantra at a school that does not or is not yet able to get the guys who are ready right out of the box...the RS program is all important as is the staff's ability to 'pro-ject' a ballplayer.

Daniel Mack, Dom Tate, Duran Lowe, Mike Olson, Justin Jackson, Frank Souza, John Gallagher, Kris Redding, Nikita Whitlock represent the D-Side of this class and right now there are, according to staff, 'no misses' in this bunch. Some nagging issues appear to be resolved for Souza and Gallagher and the hope is that the light comes on early in 2011 for those 2.

Lots to be optimistic about with the future of Deacon Football.

As usual, I look forward to your posts. I really need a football fix. Would love to see some quality commitments in the next few weeks.
 
lectro, I like your analysis posts. I always learn something new. But I'm not sure why some of your more recent posts take on this "in your face, stupid" tone? Even given the past couple seasons I doubt there are many people who would deny the obvious... that Jim Grobe is the best football coach we've ever had. And I think many would believe he can get this program back on the winning side. So, I'd suggest lightening up and getting back to what you do well... but that's just me.
 
lectro, I like your analysis posts. I always learn something new. But I'm not sure why some of your more recent posts take on this "in your face, stupid" tone? Even given the past couple seasons I doubt there are many people who would deny the obvious... that Jim Grobe is the best football coach we've ever had. And I think many would believe he can get this program back on the winning side. So, I'd suggest lightening up and getting back to what you do well... but that's just me.

Yea, I guess there is more of an edge to it these days...but I have a pretty good feel for the 'vanishing memory' many fans display which explains why many posters out here think I get attacked for posting positive reviews of the Football Team. You seem level headed enough...unfortunately the web is not composed of "mostly level headed" fans. I also ask our fans to crawl in the shoes of this staff. What might their long term strategy be? How are we doing countering the opposing recruiters and their not-so-subtle digs and attacks. Our program is at a tender stage and I suppose the hunkered down fan has his spine up.

That being said I will consider your suggestion. Thanks.
 
The internet really is composed mostly of "levelheaded fans" though. You just choose to look at people that disagree with you in the slightest as radical fans that want Grobe fired. I understand that Grobe is the best coach we have ever had and I love him for what he has done for us. I still think that last year was unacceptable on nearly every level and expect better based on what Coach Grobe has shown us he can produce. Once we have seen the greener pasture we don't want to go back to what we had in the 90's and early 2000's.

We are more talented than this year than any other team we have ever had imo, and we will still struggle to reach .500. I know that we are a couple of years away, but that does not mean that you should berate every fan that does not suck off Coach Grobe in every post.

I appreciate what you bring to the board Lectro, but I think a lot more people would read it if it weren't so rude and condescending because we don't share your "happy go lucky" view on everything.
 
The internet really is composed mostly of "levelheaded fans" though. You just choose to look at people that disagree with you in the slightest as radical fans that want Grobe fired. I understand that Grobe is the best coach we have ever had and I love him for what he has done for us. I still think that last year was unacceptable on nearly every level and expect better based on what Coach Grobe has shown us he can produce. Once we have seen the greener pasture we don't want to go back to what we had in the 90's and early 2000's.

We are more talented than this year than any other team we have ever had imo, and we will still struggle to reach .500. I know that we are a couple of years away, but that does not mean that you should berate every fan that does not suck off Coach Grobe in every post.

I appreciate what you bring to the board Lectro, but I think a lot more people would read it if it weren't so rude and condescending because we don't share
your "happy go lucky" view on everything.

Happy go lucky, eh... Okie Dokie.

More like I am a fan of the team and happen to point out positives and potentialities while the rest of "level headed fandom" wonders why we fared poorly with an 18 year old QB at the helm. Take just the decision Grobe made to play Tanner last year...he knew he was throwing the kid into a tough spot and he essentially 'gave' all the Internet geniuses exactly what they wanted -- "way to go Grobie... Showin some nutz!" and the like was all that could be heard. Meanwhile, in reality, the best of us happy go lucky types were hoping somehow a .500 season would be possible. We were not suprised when the team struggled offensively. Sane fans saw a youth filled team and admitted gaps in recruiting after the OB. You never heard ol Happy Go Lucky tell you that certain of our LB's were anything close to Arnoux and Curry. Happy Go Lucky didn't feel so lucky when our most disruptive LB was immediately lost for the season and the interior line was struggling so much that a 235 pound LB had to be plugged in at NT. No,no,no...Happy Go Lucky harped on the young talent on this team and said there would be much good to look forward to but as yet they lacked any salt.

So now Happy Go Lucky is back talking about potentials and ol' Happy sees more potential on this current roster than at any time Grobe has been at WF...but Happy can't really talk anymore about, say, Kevin Sousa's upside because sure as nightfall some dim witted SOB with a phd will invariably think old Happy means "this year when the kid is 18 fucking years old".

Good Lord some of the lads out here are thick skulled and unrealistic...I mean you have a whole ERA of Deacons gone after a career of all-time highs and you think the program is just going to reload... I mean Who The Fuck Is Happy Go Lucky!?

I simply get tired of the fact that the morons passing as football fans never have anything upbeat to say... Take a look at how BZ was trashed -- miserable treatment of a guy who lost his starting Center and PG in the albeit, weakest league in the NCAA, and then hands the ball to a guy who can barely put the fucking bong down long enough to see his way to the hoop. So the team sucked -- OK -- I Fucking Understand-- the team sucked and the coach sucked worse -- but here, in the middle of summer, springs all kinds of Happy Go Lucky horseshit like "Tony Chenault looking all world eating a chilli cheeseburger!" and the like...

Look, trash last seasons Football team... Maybe they deserve it. But Gol Damn don't turn your heads away when the guy is just beginning to build for another title run. Don't listen to the Douche Rocket who thinks " it was all a dream...a wild and wonderful anomaly!" Don't listen to the moron who thinks a Dabo or a Jimbo is on his way. Don't follow the legion of ass-finch who are ready to genuflect and suck Seminole cock -- GD you Buffoons! It took nearly a decade for lil ol WF to get past the psychological barriers (still there with Miami!) -- don't throw away the hard earned attitude as revealed beneath Chip Vaughn's jersey.

Buck up you bunch of pansies and begin to SEE... Same as Tony C -- SEE "it" in Zachary Allen or Justin Jackson or Merril Noel or Antonio Ford or Hunter Goodwin or etcetera fuckin etcetera -- SEE the strides made in recruiting. Wake the Fuck Up! At no time in your schools history have you ever beaten out Florida, Tenn, Georgia, Auburn, etc., for recruits -- you have kids all over your fucking roster -- young kids-- sophomores, redshirts and freshmen with offer sheets unlike anything seen in the past -- you want to get past the age of beating Western Kentucky and Miami of Ohio for recruits -- well then Wake the Fuck up and look around. If all you can do is look at ranking sheets then yea, you will likely think A.J. Marshall was our top recruit in 2010 -- but he is not even the most "thought of" among in coming cornerbacks -- you have a kid named Merril Noel out of Pahokee who had offers (in hand!) from Florida, Tennessee, FSU, Georgia, Auburn and about 25 other brand name universities... Do you understand that at NO TIME in your entire 108 fucking largely futile years have you ever corralled players the likes of what Jim presently has to train?!

Come on Wake Forest ... Don't climb back into that hideworn shell of a previous century. It is a new millenium and the last 10 years are indicative of this new program... not the 100 painful years that preceeded. Don't go back in the hole --- Learn to Dream! See the Ring and know that it probably won't fit today or even tommorrow but that the Day is Surely Coming!

So, in closing, Show me some fucking Belief and have some hope -- or else expect me to continue to drive my boot up yer asses every time you bitch, moan and whine... because that is 99% of what I hear out here : bitch, moan and whine.
 
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Deacsfan27... I hear you.

I just needed to blow off some steam.

These young guys are working really hard and in particular the young Offensive Linemen are showing the rest of the OL a thing or two. Young Summers, Blitch and Heartsill are 3 'recruiting risks' by this staff and it looks like they may be better than our primary big board targets --- that's the kind of luck that any good program needs. Kevin Johnson comes in the least recruited CB and he may be the best of a very talented and heavily pursued group (Noel - Marshall). He gets a year off to work on his grades and physical side and WF's staff plugs in another steal from 3 years past in Dominique Tate. --- As ol' Lec never tires saying "watch out for those secondary guys from the Piedmont of N.C. -- something in the water.

Color me pumped for 2011...even if it is barely a .500 team it is going to be so fun to salivate over 2012 and 2013 -- that is, if the asteroid doesn't hit.;)
 
Deacsfan27... I hear you.

I just needed to blow off some steam.

These young guys are working really hard and in particular the young Offensive Linemen are showing the rest of the OL a thing or two. Young Summers, Blitch and Heartsill are 3 'recruiting risks' by this staff and it looks like they may be better than our primary big board targets --- that's the kind of luck that any good program needs. Kevin Johnson comes in the least recruited CB and he may be the best of a very talented and heavily pursued group (Noel - Marshall). He gets a year off to work on his grades and physical side and WF's staff plugs in another steal from 3 years past in Dominique Tate. --- As ol' Lec never tires saying "watch out for those secondary guys from the Piedmont of N.C. -- something in the water.

Color me pumped for 2011...even if it is barely a .500 team it is going to be so fun to salivate over 2012 and 2013 -- that is, if the asteroid doesn't hit.;)

I'll give you $10,000,000 if the asteroid hits. I promise you, it won't :)
 
Yea, I guess there is more of an edge to it these days...but I have a pretty good feel for the 'vanishing memory' many fans display which explains why many posters out here think I get attacked for posting positive reviews of the Football Team. You seem level headed enough...unfortunately the web is not composed of "mostly level headed" fans. I also ask our fans to crawl in the shoes of this staff. What might their long term strategy be? How are we doing countering the opposing recruiters and their not-so-subtle digs and attacks. Our program is at a tender stage and I suppose the hunkered down fan has his spine up.

That being said I will consider your suggestion. Thanks.

You raise an interesting point. How do the coaches compete year in and year out? Obviously, they recruit the best talent possible and adjust the offense and defense as needed. And they identify potential as well as any program in the nation as you have so often pointed out.

BTW, Clemson will celebrate the 20th anniversary of their last conference title this year.

Being a Deac ain't all bad.
 
You raise an interesting point. How do the coaches compete year in and year out? Obviously, they recruit the best talent possible and adjust the offense and defense as needed. And they identify potential as well as any program in the nation as you have so often pointed out.

BTW, Clemson will celebrate the 20th anniversary of their last conference title this year.

Being a Deac ain't all bad.

I hear you.

It does appear that a major OL recruiting hurdle has been passed with the 3 incoming recruits. None of those 3 are a reach and much like the McIntyre kid in hoops all 3 have seen their reputations rise over the last year. The legs (power bases) of the new guys from 2010 and 2011 are impressive and duly noted by the scouts who saw them in this last seasons All-Star games (Goodwin and Intemann)

The Big Offensive Linemen and a Big ugly (6'2-315) NT are the last notches for a program looking to compete for titles. When we have gotten the Big DT he has struggled to stay in school (Michael Carter) or even getting in (Uriah Grant).

The staff is excited by the work ethic recently adopted by Ramon Booi...Ramon lacks nothing on the physical side or even speed for a guy his size (he can move!) -- the question has always been about the squash. If that boy stops daydreaming he can write a Sunday ticket.
 
Happy go lucky, eh... Okie Dokie.

More like I am a fan of the team and happen to point out positives and potentialities while the rest of "level headed fandom" wonders why we fared poorly with an 18 year old QB at the helm. Take just the decision Grobe made to play Tanner last year...he knew he was throwing the kid into a tough spot and he essentially 'gave' all the Internet geniuses exactly what they wanted -- "way to go Grobie... Showin some nutz!" and the like was all that could be heard. Meanwhile, in reality, the best of us happy go lucky types were hoping somehow a .500 season would be possible. We were not suprised when the team struggled offensively. Sane fans saw a youth filled team and admitted gaps in recruiting after the OB. You never heard ol Happy Go Lucky tell you that certain of our LB's were anything close to Arnoux and Curry. Happy Go Lucky didn't feel so lucky when our most disruptive LB was immediately lost for the season and the interior line was struggling so much that a 235 pound LB had to be plugged in at NT. No,no,no...Happy Go Lucky harped on the young talent on this team and said there would be much good to look forward to but as yet they lacked any salt.

So now Happy Go Lucky is back talking about potentials and ol' Happy sees more potential on this current roster than at any time Grobe has been at WF...but Happy can't really talk anymore about, say, Kevin Sousa's upside because sure as nightfall some dim witted SOB with a phd will invariably think old Happy means "this year when the kid is 18 fucking years old".

Good Lord some of the lads out here are thick skulled and unrealistic...I mean you have a whole ERA of Deacons gone after a career of all-time highs and you think the program is just going to reload... I mean Who The Fuck Is Happy Go Lucky!?

I simply get tired of the fact that the morons passing as football fans never have anything upbeat to say... Take a look at how BZ was trashed -- miserable treatment of a guy who lost his starting Center and PG in the albeit, weakest league in the NCAA, and then hands the ball to a guy who can barely put the fucking bong down long enough to see his way to the hoop. So the team sucked -- OK -- I Fucking Understand-- the team sucked and the coach sucked worse -- but here, in the middle of summer, springs all kinds of Happy Go Lucky horseshit like "Tony Chenault looking all world eating a chilli cheeseburger!" and the like...

Look, trash last seasons Football team... Maybe they deserve it. But Gol Damn don't turn your heads away when the guy is just beginning to build for another title run. Don't listen to the Douche Rocket who thinks " it was all a dream...a wild and wonderful anomaly!" Don't listen to the moron who thinks a Dabo or a Jimbo is on his way. Don't follow the legion of ass-finch who are ready to genuflect and suck Seminole cock -- GD you Buffoons! It took nearly a decade for lil ol WF to get past the psychological barriers (still there with Miami!) -- don't throw away the hard earned attitude as revealed beneath Chip Vaughn's jersey.

Buck up you bunch of pansies and begin to SEE... Same as Tony C -- SEE "it" in Zachary Allen or Justin Jackson or Merril Noel or Antonio Ford or Hunter Goodwin or etcetera fuckin etcetera -- SEE the strides made in recruiting. Wake the Fuck Up! At no time in your schools history have you ever beaten out Florida, Tenn, Georgia, Auburn, etc., for recruits -- you have kids all over your fucking roster -- young kids-- sophomores, redshirts and freshmen with offer sheets unlike anything seen in the past -- you want to get past the age of beating Western Kentucky and Miami of Ohio for recruits -- well then Wake the Fuck up and look around. If all you can do is look at ranking sheets then yea, you will likely think A.J. Marshall was our top recruit in 2010 -- but he is not even the most "thought of" among in coming cornerbacks -- you have a kid named Merril Noel out of Pahokee who had offers (in hand!) from Florida, Tennessee, FSU, Georgia, Auburn and about 25 other brand name universities... Do you understand that at NO TIME in your entire 108 fucking largely futile years have you ever corralled players the likes of what Jim presently has to train?!

Come on Wake Forest ... Don't climb back into that hideworn shell of a previous century. It is a new millenium and the last 10 years are indicative of this new program... not the 100 painful years that preceeded. Don't go back in the hole --- Learn to Dream! See the Ring and know that it probably won't fit today or even tommorrow but that the Day is Surely Coming!

So, in closing, Show me some fucking Belief and have some hope -- or else expect me to continue to drive my boot up yer asses every time you bitch, moan and whine... because that is 99% of what I hear out here : bitch, moan and whine.

FUCKIN A HELL YEAH!!! Get SOME you internet pansies!!! I'm with ya LECTRO. I'm easily top 5 in the Sunshine Brigade and damn proud of it.
 
Happy go lucky, eh... Okie Dokie.

More like I am a fan of the team and happen to point out positives and potentialities while the rest of "level headed fandom" wonders why we fared poorly with an 18 year old QB at the helm. Take just the decision Grobe made to play Tanner last year...he knew he was throwing the kid into a tough spot and he essentially 'gave' all the Internet geniuses exactly what they wanted -- "way to go Grobie... Showin some nutz!" and the like was all that could be heard. Meanwhile, in reality, the best of us happy go lucky types were hoping somehow a .500 season would be possible. We were not suprised when the team struggled offensively. Sane fans saw a youth filled team and admitted gaps in recruiting after the OB. You never heard ol Happy Go Lucky tell you that certain of our LB's were anything close to Arnoux and Curry. Happy Go Lucky didn't feel so lucky when our most disruptive LB was immediately lost for the season and the interior line was struggling so much that a 235 pound LB had to be plugged in at NT. No,no,no...Happy Go Lucky harped on the young talent on this team and said there would be much good to look forward to but as yet they lacked any salt.

So now Happy Go Lucky is back talking about potentials and ol' Happy sees more potential on this current roster than at any time Grobe has been at WF...but Happy can't really talk anymore about, say, Kevin Sousa's upside because sure as nightfall some dim witted SOB with a phd will invariably think old Happy means "this year when the kid is 18 fucking years old".

Good Lord some of the lads out here are thick skulled and unrealistic...I mean you have a whole ERA of Deacons gone after a career of all-time highs and you think the program is just going to reload... I mean Who The Fuck Is Happy Go Lucky!?

I simply get tired of the fact that the morons passing as football fans never have anything upbeat to say... Take a look at how BZ was trashed -- miserable treatment of a guy who lost his starting Center and PG in the albeit, weakest league in the NCAA, and then hands the ball to a guy who can barely put the fucking bong down long enough to see his way to the hoop. So the team sucked -- OK -- I Fucking Understand-- the team sucked and the coach sucked worse -- but here, in the middle of summer, springs all kinds of Happy Go Lucky horseshit like "Tony Chenault looking all world eating a chilli cheeseburger!" and the like...

Look, trash last seasons Football team... Maybe they deserve it. But Gol Damn don't turn your heads away when the guy is just beginning to build for another title run. Don't listen to the Douche Rocket who thinks " it was all a dream...a wild and wonderful anomaly!" Don't listen to the moron who thinks a Dabo or a Jimbo is on his way. Don't follow the legion of ass-finch who are ready to genuflect and suck Seminole cock -- GD you Buffoons! It took nearly a decade for lil ol WF to get past the psychological barriers (still there with Miami!) -- don't throw away the hard earned attitude as revealed beneath Chip Vaughn's jersey.

Buck up you bunch of pansies and begin to SEE... Same as Tony C -- SEE "it" in Zachary Allen or Justin Jackson or Merril Noel or Antonio Ford or Hunter Goodwin or etcetera fuckin etcetera -- SEE the strides made in recruiting. Wake the Fuck Up! At no time in your schools history have you ever beaten out Florida, Tenn, Georgia, Auburn, etc., for recruits -- you have kids all over your fucking roster -- young kids-- sophomores, redshirts and freshmen with offer sheets unlike anything seen in the past -- you want to get past the age of beating Western Kentucky and Miami of Ohio for recruits -- well then Wake the Fuck up and look around. If all you can do is look at ranking sheets then yea, you will likely think A.J. Marshall was our top recruit in 2010 -- but he is not even the most "thought of" among in coming cornerbacks -- you have a kid named Merril Noel out of Pahokee who had offers (in hand!) from Florida, Tennessee, FSU, Georgia, Auburn and about 25 other brand name universities... Do you understand that at NO TIME in your entire 108 fucking largely futile years have you ever corralled players the likes of what Jim presently has to train?!

Come on Wake Forest ... Don't climb back into that hideworn shell of a previous century. It is a new millenium and the last 10 years are indicative of this new program... not the 100 painful years that preceeded. Don't go back in the hole --- Learn to Dream! See the Ring and know that it probably won't fit today or even tommorrow but that the Day is Surely Coming!

So, in closing, Show me some fucking Belief and have some hope -- or else expect me to continue to drive my boot up yer asses every time you bitch, moan and whine... because that is 99% of what I hear out here : bitch, moan and whine.

Bravo!
 
My favorite part:

Come on Wake Forest ... Don't climb back into that hideworn shell of a previous century. It is a new millenium and the last 10 years are indicative of this new program... not the 100 painful years that preceeded. Don't go back in the hole --- Learn to Dream! See the Ring and know that it probably won't fit today or even tommorrow but that the Day is Surely Coming!
 
You raise an interesting point. How do the coaches compete year in and year out? Obviously, they recruit the best talent possible and adjust the offense and defense as needed. And they identify potential as well as any program in the nation as you have so often pointed out..
I think Aaron Curry's response to losing (after he left) was the most accurate. He basically said the coaching staff got lazy and started viewing recruiting as a given from certain "feeder" high schools. We weren't really going after the best. IMO Grobe realized that mistake and has adjusted.

I like the guys we're bringing in now. I think we'll surprise some people this year.
 
I think Aaron Curry's response to losing (after he left) was the most accurate. He basically said the coaching staff got lazy and started viewing recruiting as a given from certain "feeder" high schools. We weren't really going after the best. IMO Grobe realized that mistake and has adjusted.

I like the guys we're bringing in now. I think we'll surprise some people this year.

Yeah that was an insightful tweet and I hope you're right.
 
Yeah that was an insightful tweet and I hope you're right.

Yea, Aaron has one side of the story. The other is that key guys in our State don't always make the grade -- All-Studrock (recruit services hype) guys like Hawatha Bell and Justin Dixon can't make it at unc and are now at WSSU and ECU respectively -- and so WF has no real shot at the get go-- you keep your eyes open for diamonds but every year does not produce gems.

It is not lazy to develop ties to schools with strong winning traditions from strong football states. Taking the 32nd ranked player from Florida (Scott Betros from Bolles is not a lapse in energy) . What it is is taking a big bodied LB that is solid off and on the field. Taking the 19th rated LB (ESPN) Hunter Haynes (Nease feeder) is not a reach on a "bum". The guy turned down Colorado and UCLA to come to Wake...Do we honor some of these ties too strongly? Maybe that question will answer itself when some star is cultivated at one of these schools and
the staffs there spend much time talking about the WF program. Mining gems with a pan in hand but no real idea of where a vein might be is risky and soon expensive business. Every year does not see NC produce a player like Curry...but about every 5 years the state spits out a relatively unheralded gem the likes of Levar Fisher, Brian Simmons, or Aaron Curry. So the charge of "lazy" is unfounded to my eyes.

I'll spill what I think happened. Tim Billings stumbled across Josh Hunt and felt he'd won the lottery -- he called the kid "the steal of the decade" ( *I presume he was talking with regards to WF Football and not the entire spectrum of college football over the last decade. Lest there be any confusion,eh?) Anyway, we get hot for Hunt and things cool off between WF and Curry's cuz Ryan Simmons. That is where I believe the screw tightened...
 
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Interesting insight about Hunt and Simmons.

I'm not sure Curry said "lazy". Perhaps pourman added that in. Curry called it "political recruiting" or something like that. In the thread about it, the interpretation I liked was that Curry was criticizing Grobe for following up the FRESH DEACS by taking "system" players from good HS programs who may not have much higher of a ceiling compared to raw talents from NC or Pahokee players who chase rabbits.

My personal take is that the star of our defense in '04 and '05 was Abbate and Grobe was looking for more players who fit that mold. They may not be the tallest or fastest but they can make plays. The problem was our short stocky LBs didn't really make plays. They didn't have the Abbate-like instincts and sure tackling ability. Instead, they were just slow. Of course, with time our staff saw that while Abbate was a definitely good player, the money players were Curry and Arnoux, athletes who had worked their way to having a good combination of size and speed who also had the instincts and tackling ability. Problem is those players don't grow on trees and it's hard to tell which 6-3, 195 high schools LBs will be beasts after a redshirt year. Of course, that's exactly what they get paid to do. It may have been "easier" to find and recruit players in the Abbate mold. We'll see how many guys have now who are in the Curry/Arnoux mold.

Please keep your response respectful and on-topic. We're all Deacon fans here.
 
Yea, Aaron has one side of the story. The other is that key guys in our State don't ways make the grade -- All-Studrock (recruit services hype) guys like Hawatha Bell and Justin Dixon can't make it at unc and are now at WSSU and ECU respectively -- and so WF has no real shot at the get go-- you keep your eyes open for diamonds but every year does not produce gems.

It is not lazy to develop ties to schools with strong winning traditions from strong football states. Taking the 32nd ranked player from Florida (Scott Betros from Bolles is not a lapse in energy) . What it is is taking a big bodied LB that is solid off and on the field. Taking the 19th rated LB (ESPN) Hunter Haynes (Nease feeder) is not a reach on a "bum". The guy turned down Colorado and UCLA to come to Wake...Do we honor some of these ties too strongly? Maybe that question will answer itself when some star is cultivated at one of these schools and
the staffs there spend much time talking about the WF program. Mining gems with a pan in hand but no real idea of where a vein might be is risky and soon expensive business. Every year does not see NC produce a player like Curry...but about every 5 years the state spits out a relatively unheralded gem the likes of Levar Fisher, Brian Simmons, or Aaron Curry. So the charge of "lazy" is unfounded to my eyes.

I'll spill what I think happened. Tim Billings stumbled across Josh Hunt and felt he'd won the lottery -- he called the kid "the steal of the decade" ( *I presume he was talking with regards to WF Football and not the entire spectrum of college football over the last decade. Lest there be any confusion,eh?) Anyway, we get hot for Hunt and things cool off between WF and Curry's cuz Ryan Simmons. That is where I believe the screw tightened...

There is a fine line between developing ties to schools with winning traditions and signing a bunch of guys from those schools who can't get the job done. The Haynes boys, for example, have not to this point been the type of players who can start on a good defense. Same is true for Stachitas, Betros, Booi, and the overwhelming majority of the Bolles/Nease crowd. There is still time for some of them to get it together. But taking kids who have had the best training that money can buy and then expecting them to blossom in college is not necessarily the best bet. Many of those guys are within spitting distance of as good as they will get the minute they step on campus. Compare that to Curry, or the Pahokee kids.

I think Wake was on the wrong side of that fine line for the past several years. Hopefully the past couple classes will rectify that trend.
 
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