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The 2016 Panthers Thread: Keep Pounding

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Great QB, Great WR1: plenty of opportunities for you going up against the #2 CB since all eyes aren't on you
Shitty QB, Shitty other WRs: difficult for opportunities when defenses target focus on you, yet you still get plenty of yards/catches/TDs
 
pointing out that there's only 4 receivers in the hall of fame after 1990 and then advocating for a career second receiver over Steve smith is something else
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
You don't get credit or excused for being injured, that is a detriment.
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Smith isn't injury prone -- he's missed eight games in the last nine seasons, and quite a number of those weren't injury related (not excusing those, just saying). Just think it's worth acknowledging that he missed a great opportunity to put up more gaudy stats in 2004. Moose went for 93/1405/16 that year, after all, absurd numbers.

Also have to give some consideration to the type of offense being run. Arizona was pass, pass pass whereas the Panthers were always run focused under Fox. That cancels out any "edge" Smith gets from being the #1 target in Carolina's O.

And he's way more of a HOFer than Julius Peppers (in my opinion)
 
Steve Largent made the HOF in 1994. Smitty has way more yards but about 20 less touchdowns.
 
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Smith isn't injury prone -- he's missed eight games in the last nine seasons, and quite a number of those weren't injury related (not excusing those, just saying). Just think it's worth acknowledging that he missed a great opportunity to put up more gaudy stats in 2004. Moose went for 93/1405/16 that year, after all, absurd numbers.

Also have to give some consideration to the type of offense being run. Arizona was pass, pass pass whereas the Panthers were always run focused under Fox. That cancels out any "edge" Smith gets from being the #1 target in Carolina's O.

And he's way more of a HOFer than Julius Peppers (in my opinion)
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How the hell is it a negative for a Hall of Famer to be the number one option in his offense? It's an absurd premise


Smitty's problem is that he played in Carolina before the Twitter/Vine era. Really even before youtube got good (looking at mid 2000s sports youtubes the quality might as well be from the 60s). Dude would've been an ODB and Dez level vine sensation. Even in the twighlight of his career he scored a huge social media hit with ice up son. With the ridiculous catches, just straight up jumping over/bodying defenders at 5'9, trash talking, and scuffles from that trash talking and also just from blocking past the whistle, he'd be huge. He's one of the more unique players to ever play the game, but people might not really know because he played in Carolina before that time. It's kinda like Andre Johnson with similar QB problems, I know he's a great receiver, but if there's a HOF debate about him I won't feel strongly either way because I just didn't see him play much at all.
 
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How the hell is it a negative for a Hall of Famer to be the number one option in his offense? It's an absurd premise
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Speaking relative to Boldin vs. Smith and, particularly, Arizona/Warner/Fitzgerald vs. Carolina/Delhomme/Keyshawn-Drew freakin' Carter-old Moose. If the QB and opposite WR situations are equivalent, then yes, obviously you'd rather be the 1.

But you're right about the market (though -- not meant as a knock on Andre -- Smith played in a lot more playoff games than Johnson has) and YouTube. I can't unsee highlights of Smith returning punts on the Panther draft recap show that year. Knew we had something special.

Also, on the subject of Boldin's amazing debut, it's worth noting Smith took his first touch of the ball in the league 93 yards to the house, helping provide our only win that year. Beast from jump steet
 
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Darryl Williams is good

I hope Funchess and Shaq are good too
 
You guys are fucking delusional. Roddy White will have comparable stats to Smith by the time he's 36, and guess what? He ain't a HOFer either. You need to be a consistently elite ie top 2-3 at your position in the league for the better part of a decade to be in the HOF, not just a good starter for 12 years.

Smith had double digit TDs and more than 100 catches exactly once during his career. That doesn't cut it.
 
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Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks with a broken jaw from being sucker punched in the locker room. Panthers need to post that to remind folks not to let this preseason stuff get out of hand.
 
The only WRs drafted between '96-'06 that I'd put above Smith at this point are T.O., Harrison (both '96 draftees so barely make the list), Andre and Moss. Top five in an 11-year span -- pretty damn impressive I'd say.

It shouldn't be all about stats when guys are in wildly different situations, but sportswriters are fucking dumb and will probably have forgotten every thing about these guys in five years, so I'm sure they'll probably screw it up. I haven't said he will make the HOF -- I have no faith in the process
 
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The Official 2015 Carolina Panthers: FIGHT!

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You guys are fucking delusional. Roddy White will have comparable stats to Smith by the time he's 36, and guess what? He ain't a HOFer either. You need to be a consistently elite ie top 2-3 at your position in the league for the better part of a decade to be in the HOF, not just a good starter for 12 years.

Smith had double digit TDs and more than 100 catches exactly once during his career. That doesn't cut it.
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What a dumb post. You think Smith's numbers might be a little better if he played opposite Julio jones and caught balls from Matty Ice for most his career?
 
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No way Smith is above Fitzgerald.
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Disagree, at this point. Had way more to work with when he posted his best stats, and is regressing. Could change if he has a revival
 
Yeah Fitz is done as a #1 option. He is not on Smitty's level.
 
Fitzgerald is 4.5 years younger than Smith and has 16 more TDs already. Fitzgerald has 5 double digit TD seasons. Smith has 1. Fitzgerald's made 8 Pro Bowls. Smith's made 5. Fitzgerald will finish with 110+ TDs and 15,000+ receiving yards. Like I said though, I think Smith deserves to get in but don't think he will.

Not on Smitty's level? Holy shit, is #PanthersHubris a thing around here? Let's see what Fitzgerald does this year when he isn't playing with Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley as his QB for 2/3 of the season.
 
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Yeah Fitz > Smitty and I'm a huge Smitty fan. Even got my son a custom #iceupson onesie. I don't think Smitty gets in HOF but he's close. 2 AP All Pro seasons (one as PR I believe) is nothing to sneeze at. He's been dirty in the playoffs too. I think losing a season in the absolute prime of his career hurts him. If he put up 80/1,200/8 and a Pro Bowl or something like that he'd probably have the resume to get in.
 
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