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Public Schools: Success Stories and Reform

Article on a damning study of online charter schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Actual study:
https://credo.stanford.edu/pdfs/OnlineCharterStudyFinal2015.pdf

The study sought to answer this question: “How did enrollment in an online charter school affect the academic growth of students?” Academic growth, as mentioned before, is measured by standardized test scores for the purpose of this study, which evaluated scores from online charter students between 2008 and 2013 and compared them to students in traditional public schools (not brick-and-mortar charters). Here are some of the findings:

  • Students in online charters lost an average of about 72 days of learning in reading.
  • Students in online charters lost 180 days of learning in math during the course of a 180-day school year. Yes, you read that right. As my colleague Lyndsey Layton wrote in this story about the study, it’s as if the students did not attend school at all when it comes to math.
  • The average student in an online charter had lower reading scores than students in traditional schools everywhere except Wisconsin and Georgia, and had lower math scores everywhere except in Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin.
 
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What idiot would enroll their kid in an online charter school?

People who buy into online education and charter schools and think this is twice as good as an evil liberal public school.
 
People who buy into online education and charter schools and think this is twice as good as an evil liberal public school.

I wouldn't think those two groups overlap much. Those into U Phoenix and similar I would think are mostly techy liberal millennials, whereas I think most people who go charter to get out of the public school system are more traditional/conservative. I could be wrong though. Maybe everyone hates the public schools at this point.
 
Conservatives are big into online education because it's easy $$$. Bill Bennett owns K12, one of the biggest online education providers. Conservatives are in the pocket of University of Phoenix and for-profit colleges as well.
 
Conservatives are big into online education because it's easy $$$. Bill Bennett owns K12, one of the biggest online education providers. Conservatives are in the pocket of University of Phoenix and for-profit colleges as well.

May be the way of the future as at some point people realize that paying $200,000 for a degree that their parents payed $20,000 for is a hard way to start life. Specially from behind a Starbucks counter.
 
For-profit colleges are the biggest driver of student loan debt. Conservative lawmakers are blocking attempts to cut them off from federal loan programs.
 
For-profit colleges are the biggest driver of student loan debt. Conservative lawmakers are blocking attempts to cut them off from federal loan programs.

Why are they the biggest drivers of the loan debt. Surely they don't cost as much as old stand by, do they?
 
Conservatives are big into online education because it's easy $$$. Bill Bennett owns K12, one of the biggest online education providers. Conservatives are in the pocket of University of Phoenix and for-profit colleges as well.

I'm sure the conservatives actually making money off of it love it, but that is a wholly different subset of conservatives from those who would actually enroll their kids in it.
 
Why are they the biggest drivers of the loan debt. Surely they don't cost as much as old stand by, do they?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...schools-driving-americas-student-loan-crisis/

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Interesting. Why is that.

I'd guess a large part of it is ability to repay the loans is lower for those who graduate from for-profit universities. On a person by person basis they take out much less overall debt, but they also struggle to find and keep jobs after graduation compared to graduates of a traditional 4 year institution.

Did you know that many for-profits have been under federal investigation in recent years for deceptive recruitment practices that target low income students? They over promise on job potential after employment, and are shady as fuck when it comes to debt collection.
 
But a lot of them are owned by big corporations who want to keep the money train coming so they lobby under the guise of providing a an open education for all and sowing distrust in traditional universities. Basically they're using the charter school playbook.

Also, the for-profits are still expensive. Here is a Forbes article about for-profit grad schools.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens...-profit-colleges-encourage-huge-student-debt/

Would you pay the same tuition for a Harvard degree as for a second-rate school that you’ve never heard of? Probably not. But thanks to the federal government’s help, that’s exactly what we are all doing. It turns out that many of the biggest beneficiaries of federal loan programs for graduate schools are low quality, for-profit universities that have figured out how to turn federal largesse into nice fat profits.
A new study from the Center for American Progress finds that just 20 universities account for nearly one-fifth of all grad student debt, a total $6.6 billion. What’s perhaps most surprising is who those universities are: 10 of the 20 are for-profit schools, including two foreign schools.
The problem here is that these schools offer terrible value for the money. There’s little debate (except from the schools themselves) that these schools have very low standards for admission. The only requirement seems to be money, and if you don’t have it, they will help you borrow it (often from the federal government). The degrees themselves are barely worth the paper they are printed on, because the reputations of most of these schools are–well, let’s just say they aren’t good. Graduate degrees do improve your career choices, if you get them from a well-regarded institution. But when the school isn’t even ranked in the top 200, a degree isn’t going to open any doors, and it’s certainly not worth borrowing tens of thousands of dollars to get one.

Liberty University (a non-profit) is very high on the undergrad and grad lists.
 
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