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DNC 2016 thread

PhDeac said:
No ruling need.
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I'm not sure what this means exactly, but if you are implying that I don't like to defend the statements I make, I encourage you to go through my posting history. I think you'll find that I have a better predictive track record than most on here.

Either way, I mostly just lurk now because responding to five people simultaneously can get pretty tiresome, and I have people I can argue with in real life anyway.
 
TR1982 said:
The danger of such comments pale in comparison to the reality of the situation. Putin knows just as much as anyone that he could have Estonia if he wanted it, he just doesn't have the political capital to pull it off right now. Sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like everything is alright is just as unproductive.
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Public comments like that have absolutely zero geopolitical upside other than garnering active support from nationalists and Russia itself apparently.
 
TR1982 said:
The issue of trade may very well win him the election. I'm not saying this is a good thing one way or another, but he clearly understands what he is doing in this regard. I find it very difficult to believe that Trump never took a microecon class at Wharton where the community benefits of free trade were demonstrated.
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Which is worse not knowing the consequences of what he proposes or knowing exactly the consequences of what he says and doing them anyway? I'm not convinced if elected Trump will do anything that he is running on, including the trade agreements. I think he understands them and would do anything even as president that would benefit Trump the individual. Tanking the markets doesn't benefit trump the individual. He is just pandering to the low hanging fruit that is an uneducated population that you can tell that we need to end X and I guarantee you your jobs, money, your happy existence will return. Rubes don't understand that telling Apple they have to make iPhones in the US does one of two things, Apple makes nothing here and leaves or does what Trump wants makes iPhones here for 2000 dollars and none of the Rubes have their cheap phones. There is no scenario where they have their manufacturing jobs and cheap goods which means they are back where they started.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
Public comments like that have absolutely zero geopolitical upside other than garnering active support from nationalists and Russia itself apparently.
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I definitely disagree with you on this point. Public comments signal that he is serious about renegotiating these alliances to the countries in question, with credibility that could not be had from using back channels. At the same time, they are certainly not going to make Putin more likely to invade Estonia in the near term.
 
TR1982 said:
I definitely disagree with you on this point. Public comments signal that he is serious about renegotiating these alliances to the countries in question, with credibility that could not be had from using back channels. At the same time, they are certainly not going to make Putin more likely to invade Estonia in the near term.
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At least not until inauguration 2017 depending on the election, for sure.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
Which is worse not knowing the consequences of what he proposes or knowing exactly the consequences of what he says and doing them anyway? I'm not convinced if elected Trump will do anything that he is running on, including the trade agreements. I think he understands them and would do anything even as president that would benefit Trump the individual. Tanking the markets doesn't benefit trump the individual. He is just pandering to the low hanging fruit that is an uneducated population that you can tell that we need to end X and I guarantee you your jobs, money, your happy existence will return. Rubes don't understand that telling Apple they have to make iPhones in the US does one of two things, Apple makes nothing here and leaves or does what Trump wants makes iPhones here for 2000 dollars and none of the Rubes have their cheap phones. There is no scenario where they have their manufacturing jobs and cheap goods which means they are back where they started.
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Again, I don't agree with his positions on trade. I'm just saying these positions have a definite political upside and he obviously knows what he's doing when he exploits it.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
Crazy liberal:

‏@davidfrum
Even the biggest news inside the DNC emails is about one/one-zillionth as big as Russian interference in US elections …

@davidfrum
… and utterly dwarfed by latest strong indication of Kremlin active measures to elect Donald Trump.

@davidfrum
The news - the real news - in the DNC leak is the information about which US candidate Putin favors and why. That is nuclear-grade news.

@davidfrum
Oh, and no there’s no moral equivalency between the US supporting democracy in Ukraine against Russian aggression & Russian hack of DNC
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David Frum, not a liberal, just another rabid anti-Trump neocon lunatic. Love that the board "liberals" are so dependent him.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
At least not until inauguration 2017 depending on the election, for sure.
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But again, no matter the result of the election, no candidate currently running is going to stop a Russian invasion of Estonia, and Putin already knows this.
 
TR1982 said:
But again, no matter the result of the election, no candidate currently running is going to stop a Russian invasion of Estonia, and Putin already knows this.
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One candidate is threatening to seriously weaken the greatest military alliance in world history that is in the way of Russia.
 
TR1982 said:
The danger of such comments pale in comparison to the reality of the situation. Putin knows just as much as anyone that he could have Estonia if he wanted it, he just doesn't have the political capital to pull it off right now. Sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like everything is alright is just as unproductive.
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Putin will be fine if he rigs the election and his employee Manafort is Trump's Chief of Staff.

The Sr. VP of the American Enterprise Institute (hardly a leftist group) said Trump's speech and interview with Chuck Todd made it look Trump was auditioning to be Commander-In-Chief of Russia.

If more emails are leaked, the FBI, CIA, Interpol, MI6 and others will be investigating in hyper-speed.

David Frum is right. If this is remotely ties to Russia, Trump may not get 35% of the vote. Effectively being an agent for Russia would be the worst thing any major candidate in US history has ever done.
 
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Fuck Your Couch said:
One candidate is threatening to seriously weaken the greatest military alliance in world history that is in the way of Russia.
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It's already weak, and saying that out loud isn't going to make it weaker in any substantive way. There are plenty of good avenues of attack on Trump. Fear mongering over NATO isn't really one of them in my opinion. The more shrill liberals get in defense of a status quo that most Americans perceive to not be working well, the more those people will tune them out.

Every time a Brexit happens and the world doesn't end, people will be less afraid of the next big scary thing.
 
TR1982 said:
It's already weak, and saying that out loud isn't going to make it weaker in any substantive way. There are plenty of good avenues of attack on Trump. Fear mongering over NATO isn't really one of them in my opinion. The more shrill liberals get in defense of a status quo that most Americans perceive to not be working well, the more those people will tune them out.

Every time a Brexit happens and the world doesn't end, people will be less afraid of the next big scary thing.
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Well, Brexit hasn't happened yet.
 
RJKarl said:
Putin will be fine if he rigs the election and his employee Manafort is Trump's Chief of Staff.

The Sr. VP of the American Enterprise Institute (hardly a leftist group) said Trump's speech and interview with Chuck Todd made it look Trump was auditioning to be Commander-In-Chief of Russia.

If more emails are leaked, the FBI, CIA, Interpol, MI6 and others will be investigating in hyper-speed.

David Frum is right. If this is remotely ties to Russia, Trump may not get 35% of the vote. Effectively being an agent for Russia would be the worst thing any major candidate in US history has ever done.
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dems are good at deflection
 
TR1982 said:
It's already priced into the markets, though.
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Well the market panicked, but you don't know what the terms of the exit will ultimately be and whether it will be catastrophic economically. EU will not give in on the common market with the Brexit immigration demands.

eta: that's like saying if Trump wins and the markets stabilize in December before he takes office that it wasn't that bad.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
I mean it's pretty clear liberals hate Trump, do you want me to post stuff from Mother Jones?
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Post from wherever you want. I just find it telling that so much of what the self-described liberals have posted has come from neocon wackos like Frum. I consider that a negative sign of what the Clintons have done to the Party.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Post from wherever you want. I just find it telling that so much of what the self-described liberals have posted has come from neocon wackos like Frum. I consider that a negative sign of what the Clintons have done to the Party.
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What is telling about it? Hate for Trump is coming from all angles. And all you post is from alt-right sites like Breitbart.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Post from wherever you want. I just find it telling that so much of what the self-described liberals have posted has come from neocon wackos like Frum. I consider that a negative sign of what the Clintons have done to the Party.
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says the bernie supporter who keeps posting breitbart
 
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