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General Election Thread: Two Weeks Out

I am sure that many around here will be eager to ignore these results, so go ahead and ignore them, you'll be helping Trump:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...icans-want-total-revolution-mass-immigration/

I believe that quite a lot of people "feel" immigration is a problem, despite every factual study showing it's benefit to the country both in the near and the long term (especially in the long term, as it's absolutely essential to having a healthy population pyramid due to falling native birth rates - without international immigration the US economy is looking at a fucking cliff in a couple of decades). It's very easy to make immigrants "others" and much harder to understand the detailed case of why steady immigration is extremely healthy and neccessary.

This entire election is turning into a battle of rational thinking against "feelings".
 
I believe that quite a lot of people "feel" immigration is a problem, despite every factual study showing it's benefit to the country both in the near and the long term (especially in the long term, as it's absolutely essential to having a healthy population pyramid due to falling native birth rates - without international immigration the US economy is looking at a fucking cliff in a couple of decades). It's very easy to make immigrants "others" and much harder to understand the detailed case of why steady immigration is extremely healthy and neccessary.

This entire election is turning into a battle of rational thinking against "feelings".

Feelings are now facts, and facts are now irrelevant.
 
I believe that quite a lot of people "feel" immigration is a problem, despite every factual study showing it's benefit to the country both in the near and the long term (especially in the long term, as it's absolutely essential to having a healthy population pyramid due to falling native birth rates - without international immigration the US economy is looking at a fucking cliff in a couple of decades). It's very easy to make immigrants "others" and much harder to understand the detailed case of why steady immigration is extremely healthy and neccessary.

This entire election is turning into a battle of rational thinking against "feelings".

This is a load of bullshit. Your thoughts on immigration are not based on rational thinking.
 
That's "Orange Clown." Johnson/Weld 2016 for all you non swing state voters and all fiscal conservative/socially liberal folks in all 50.

So you're feeling the Johnson? Johnson does have some good internet memes.
 
The Gang of Eight immigration bill (S.744) passed by the Senate last June would have roughly doubled the number of new foreign workers allowed into the country, as well as legalized illegal immigrants already here. North Carolina Sen. Kay Hagen (D) voted for it. An analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that, since 2000, all of the net increase in the number of working-age (16 to 65) people holding a job in North Carolina has gone to immigrants (legal and illegal). This is the case even though the native-born accounted for 61 percent of growth in the state’s total working-age population.

Among the findings:

The total number of working-age (16 to 65) immigrants (legal and illegal) holding a job in North Carolina increased by 313,000 from the first quarter of 2000 to the first quarter of 2014, while the number of working-age natives with a job declined by 32,000 over the same time.

The fact that all of the long-term net gain in employment among the working-age went to immigrants is striking because natives accounted for 61 percent of the increase in the total size of the state’s working-age population.

In the first quarter of this year, only 64 percent of working-age natives in the state held a job. As recently as 2000, 74 percent of working-age natives in North Carolina were working.

Because the native working-age population in North Carolina grew significantly, but the share working actually fell, there were 720,000 more working-age natives not working in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000 — a 56 percent increase.

The supply of potential workers in North Carolina is very large: In the first quarter of 2014, two million working-age natives were not working (unemployed or entirely out of the labor market), as were 201,000 working-age immigrants.

Perhaps most troubling is that the labor-force participation rate (share working or looking for work) of working-age natives in North Carolina has continued to decline even after the jobs recovery began in 2010.

In fact, the labor-force participation of natives in North Carolina shows a near uninterrupted 14-year decline.

In terms of the labor-force participation rate among working-age natives, the state ranks 37th in the nation.

Two key conclusion from the state’s employment situation:

First, the long-term decline in employment for natives in North Carolina and the enormous number of working-age natives not working clearly indicate that there is no general labor shortage in the state. Thus, it is very difficult to justify the large increases in foreign workers (skilled and unskilled) that would be allowed into the country in a bill like S.744 that many of the state’s politicians support.

Second, North Carolina’s working-age immigrant population grew 146 percent from 2000 to 2014, one of the highest rates of any state in the nation. Yet the number of natives working in 2014 was actually lower than in 2000. This undermines the argument that immigration increases job opportunities for natives.
http://cis.org/all-north-carolina-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants
 
I am sure that many around here will be eager to ignore these results, so go ahead and ignore them, you'll be helping Trump:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...icans-want-total-revolution-mass-immigration/
Immigration Poll Demonstrates Americans Want Total Revolution Against Mass Immigration
New polling data shows that it would be virtually impossible for Hillary Clinton to win the general election if the Republican nominee were able to frame the immigration issue in populist terms that emphasize reducing the overall amount of immigration into the country and protecting jobs, incomes, and benefits for the domestic population.
“The poll shows that instead of dividing Americans, immigration is an issue where Americans have reached the consensus that it is a problem, maybe the problem,” said Doug Kaplan, the managing partner of Gravis Marketing.

The polling data suggests that the Republican Party could see overwhelming electoral success if it were able to portray Clinton’s immigration policy as a corporatist attempt to flood the labor supply with foreign workers in order to drive down wages and incomes for American workers.

As the polling data confirms, the most potent framing of the immigration issue is to focus on the numbers and scale of total immigration into the country, and to present the American people with the choice between more immigration and less immigration.

Whereas the media and Democrats try to frame the immigration issue as pitting native-born Americans against foreign-born Americans, the polling reveals that Republicans should offer a completely different framing of the issue– one which focuses on the interests of the domestic American population– and all of its members (i.e. foreign-born, native-born, etc.)–versus the interests of the world’s seven billion people that live outside the United States.

In other words, the media understands the words “pro-immigrant” not in the context of helping actual immigrants (i.e. people living inside the United States, who were born elsewhere). Rather the media and Democrat politicians uses the term “pro-immigrant” in a completely alien way– i.e. in a way which focuses on trying to help foreign nationals who do not live in America. The new polling information underscores the importance for Republicans to reclaim the historically correct understanding of “pro-immigrant”– as meaning defending U.S. residents who have already immigrated to the country against competition for jobs and resources from foreign nationals residing outside of the country.

Below are some of the poll’s findings:

– By a nearly 6 to 1 margin, U.S. voters believe immigration should be decreased rather than increased.

Every three years, the U.S. admits a population of new immigrants the size of Los Angeles. Sixty three percent of voters said that this figure is too high, whereas only a minuscule 11 percent of voters said that number is not high enough. Only 13 percent of Democrats and Independents— and only 7 percent of Republicans— said immigration should be increased.

– By a 25-to-1 margin, voters believe that unemployed American workers should get preference for a U.S. job rather than a foreign worker brought in from another country.

Seventy five percent of voters believe American workers should get U.S. jobs, whereas only 3 percent of voters believe foreign workers should be imported to fill U.S. jobs.

Democrats agreed with this sentiment by a margin of roughly 30-to-1 (69.8 percent who think jobs should go to unemployed Americans whereas only 2.3 percent think foreign labor should be imported). African Americans agree with this sentiment by a margin of 65-to-1 (78.5 percent who think unemployed Americans should get the jobs versus 1.2 percent who think foreign workers should be brought in). Hispanics agree with this sentiment by a margin of 30-to-1 (59.1 percent versus 2.0 percent).

There are roughly 94 million Americans operating outside the labor market today. Yet every year the U.S. admits one million plus foreign nationals on green cards, one million guest workers, dependents, and refugees, and half a million foreign students.

– Sixty one percent of voters believe that any politician, “who would rather import foreign workers to take jobs rather than give them to current U.S. residents, is unfit to hold office.”

Yet politicians on both sides of the aisle, such as Hillary Clinton and House Speaker Paul Ryan, have pushed policies that would do just that. Clinton supported a 2013 immigration expansion bill, which would have doubled the number of foreign workers admitted to the country at a time when millions of Americans are not working. Speaker Ryan has a two decade long history of pushing for open borders. Ryan has called for enacting an immigration system that would allow foreign nationals from all over the globe to freely and legally enter the country and take any U.S. job. Speaker Ryan has explained that he believes foreign labor is necessary to help corporations keep wages low.

– Three out of four voters believe the nation needs “an immigration system that puts American workers first, not an immigration system that serves the demands of donors seeking to reduce labor costs.”

More than seven out of ten African Americans agreed with the sentiment that the nation’s immigration system should prioritize needs of American workers above donors who want to reduce labor costs.

– A majority of U.S. voters (53%) believe “record amounts of immigration into the U.S. have strained school resources and disadvantaged U.S. children.”

– A majority of voters (55%) disagree with Hillary Clinton’s call to release illegal immigrants arriving at the border into the United States and give them a chance to apply for asylum.

A majority of women (51.6 percent) opposed Clinton’s proposal to release illegal immigrants into the interior and allow them to apply for asylum.

– Roughly three out of four voters— including nearly three out of four Democrat voters— believe that “instead of giving jobs and healthcare to millions of refugees from around the world, we should rebuild our inner cities and put Americans back to work.”

African Americans agreed with this sentiment by a 10 to 1 margin (86.3 percent agree versus 8.5 percent disagree). Hispanics agreed by a margin of 5 to 1 (68.9 percent agreed versus 12.6 percent disagreed).

The number of immigrants in the U.S. is currently at a record high of 42.4 million. In 1970, fewer than one in 21 Americans were foreign-born. Today, as a result of the federal government’s four-decade-long green card gusher championed by Ted Kennedy, nearly one in seven U.S. residents was born in a foreign country. If immigration levels remain at the same rapid pace— without any expansions— within seven years, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population will reach an all-time high.

In the 1920s, the last time the foreign-born share of the population reached a record high, then-President Calvin Coolidge hit the pause button for roughly fifty years, producing an era of explosive wage growth and allowing immigrants already in the country to assimilate.

As the polling data suggests, a majority of U.S. voters would be supportive of similar measures to reduce immigration and improve jobs, wages and benefits for the domestic population.
 
I believe that quite a lot of people "feel" immigration is a problem, despite every factual study showing it's benefit to the country both in the near and the long term (especially in the long term, as it's absolutely essential to having a healthy population pyramid due to falling native birth rates - without international immigration the US economy is looking at a fucking cliff in a couple of decades). It's very easy to make immigrants "others" and much harder to understand the detailed case of why steady immigration is extremely healthy and neccessary.

This entire election is turning into a battle of rational thinking against "feelings".

I am not opposed to immigration. It can be necessary and useful. However, what we have today in Europe and in the US is harmful and destructive to a rational and prudent immigration policy that could be supported by the majority.
 
Donald can't get out of his own way. As of this morning he's still tweeting about the Khan family.
 
LA Times has it Trump 46 Hillary 42. Trump had been up 7. So I guess Hillary got a modest 3 point bump.
 
Polls only has it at a virtual tie on 538. Polls plus and Now-cast still have Hillary at around 60%.
 
Thanks, JManslow.



BSF4L - counter point?

I love that We have to have a moderator to have any sensible discussion. Can't wait for nap time after we eat our lunchables.


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I believe that quite a lot of people "feel" immigration is a problem, despite every factual study showing it's benefit to the country both in the near and the long term (especially in the long term, as it's absolutely essential to having a healthy population pyramid due to falling native birth rates - without international immigration the US economy is looking at a fucking cliff in a couple of decades). It's very easy to make immigrants "others" and much harder to understand the detailed case of why steady immigration is extremely healthy and neccessary.

This entire election is turning into a battle of rational thinking against "feelings".

Feelings are now facts, and facts are now irrelevant.

John Oliver had a superb bit about this a few weeks ago.
 
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