ImTheCaptain
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no surprise that republicans love the machinery that restricts actual democracy, especially when it bails them out of 2 of the last 5 contests
Elizabeth Warren. There are not any charismatic politicians out there now. Trump and Bernie were basically it in the primaries.
Are the Mississippi plants actually paying taxes? Are the jobs paying good money?
Not sure Warren appeals to a broad enough group. I probably just have a naive expectation that charisma can overcome disagreement. That's probably stupid on my part. Obama is as charismatic as it gets, and can't get any traction across the aisle. We are at the mercy of ideological turnout now. Compromise is dead.
If we're isolating for women, Michelle Obama definitely has it. Haley probably does. Maybe Gillibrand? I'm not super familiar with all the options that may be out there.
By the way, the spoiled millennial brats rolled the quad Tuesday night.
Kind of weird to blame a 20 or 30 something for not getting old and disillusioned.
These posts touch on the real reason Trump won.
Go back over every previous presidential election and rate the two candidates on a scale of 1-10 measuring only one quality: charisma. You have to go back to 1988 where it is even close, but in a year where the Democrats were gifted Bush 1, they ran Dukakis. 1968-1976 are narrow differences, but it's not hard to see the winner as tied or better in the charisma category. You have to go back to well before the advent of TV, before this notion doesn't explain the winner.
There are a few reasons why this doesn't universally hold in the primaries, but it does influence the results within each party's nomination process.
So, Democrats in 2020 and 2024 have to decide if they want the best representative of their ideology, or if they want to win.
The jobs are not coming backThe Midwest auto jobs would come back if you broke the unions. The labor force there is incredible for auto construction and repair. They have done it their whole lives and many of them have had it handed down generationally (I know because a good portion of my family lives in Michigan and are auto people).
Think of the paradigm shift if they finally said no to the unions. I think almost immediately you would see the current auto companies reinvest in their properties in the region and the next time a bid came for a new plant you would have experienced people ready to go to work on a level playing field with South Carolina and mississippi.
Don't get me wrong - Mississippi loves the auto plants that are being built here and the jobs and tax money that comes out of that but there is really no reason those plants shouldn't be built in Michigan. The state is just dealing with half the deck.
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They have certainly received very favorable corporate tax plans/breaks, but they are great paying jobs, and those jobs are certainly paying taxes. The people in communities that have jobs are spending money at other businesses who are paying taxes, etc.... So we don't really care if Toyota pays corporate taxes for the next decade (if that is what it took to get them here). Their business is flooding their community with great jobs (low education, middle education, and high education). Pretty much the opposite of Michigan/Detroit. Detroit businesses aren't paying taxes either btw. Had a conversation with a Detroit city councilman a few years back and he told me they were actually paying companies to try and relocate back to Detroit and they were having trouble getting them to come because once they set up business the overhead was too high due to unions. That is why they had to go to casinos because they couldn't make the bottom line work, and casinos were willing to come in and feed off the suffering (all the while paying taxes and keeping the city afloat).
Should be required reading for and comprehened by the resident left liberals:
"Clinton’s supporters among the media didn’t help much, either. It always struck me as strange that such an unpopular candidate enjoyed such robust and unanimous endorsements from the editorial and opinion pages of the nation’s papers, but it was the quality of the media’s enthusiasm that really harmed her. With the same arguments repeated over and over, two or three times a day, with nuance and contrary views all deleted, the act of opening the newspaper started to feel like tuning in to a Cold War propaganda station. Here’s what it consisted of:
Hillary was virtually without flaws. She was a peerless leader clad in saintly white, a super-lawyer, a caring benefactor of women and children, a warrior for social justice.
Her scandals weren’t real.
The economy was doing well / America was already great.
Working-class people weren’t supporting Trump.
And if they were, it was only because they were botched humans. Racism was the only conceivable reason for lining up with the Republican candidate.
How did the journalists’ crusade fail? The fourth estate came together in an unprecedented professional consensus. They chose insulting the other side over trying to understand what motivated them. They transformed opinion writing into a vehicle for high moral boasting. What could possibly have gone wrong with such an approach?"
"Put this question in slightly more general terms and you are confronting the single great mystery of 2016. The American white-collar class just spent the year rallying around a super-competent professional (who really wasn’t all that competent) and either insulting or silencing everyone who didn’t accept their assessment. And then they lost. Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away.
The even larger problem is that there is a kind of chronic complacency that has been rotting American liberalism for years, a hubris that tells Democrats they need do nothing different, they need deliver nothing really to anyone – except their friends on the Google jet and those nice people at Goldman. The rest of us are treated as though we have nowhere else to go and no role to play except to vote enthusiastically on the grounds that these Democrats are the “last thing standing” between us and the end of the world. It is a liberalism of the rich, it has failed the middle class, and now it has failed on its own terms of electability. Enough with these comfortable Democrats and their cozy Washington system. Enough with Clintonism and its prideful air of professional-class virtue. Enough!"
Thomas Frank is the author of Listen, Liberal
good find, jhmd
The jobs are not coming back
Even if manufacturing comes back, it will be a fraction of the old jobs
But it shouldn't be the United States of Iowa and Michigan and Ohio either. There's no ideal system.
Good thing you are above hatred. I mean, your love of the commoner just oozes from every sentence.