Shooshmoo
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President elect in bed with foreign power that wants to undermine our democracy. NBD #eatloadcommie
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This is a guy who understands what it means to #SupportOURPresident ! They key phrase to keep in mind over the next 8 years is "Why it matter?"
I am still confused about how Russia wanting Trump to be president is any reflection on him. If Iran wanted Hillary to be president would that reflect on her (I think it is a fairly safe assumption that they would rather have Hillary than Trump). If he was involved in influencing the election from outside the democratic process by leaking intel or providing avenues through which the Russian government could hack the DNC and personal emails then that would reflect on him. Outside of his direct involvement this is a Russia issue (and it seems pretty clear they were involved).
So then it becomes a President Trump issue, not an electoral college issue. Assuming this investigation continues to go down the path it has started, then Trump is going to have to make decisions on how to appropriately respond. If he does not respond appropriately then I will join the bandwagon. My guess is that he will NOT respond appropriately once president,but this isn't an election issue. It is a policy issue (unless Trump actually participated in the influencing scheme - if he did participate then it absolutely is an electoral college issue).
So I am good with the investigation and hope we are thorough. There is plenty of smoke. I would like to see the facts.
Because Trump won? I recall a ton of public support among government officials worldwide for HRC, either via outright endorsement or Trump-bashing, and yet we aren't crying about their influence in the election. I wonder why?
Again, unless there is evidence of vote-rigging, this is a total non-story. The fake news element of this is demonstrable bullshit as that stuff cuts both ways. I saw a ton of non-vetted, bogus stories about Trump on my FB feed in the lead-up to the election.
As near as I can tell, Trump's biggest thing with the Russians is the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" adage. He wants to bomb the shit out of ISIS with them, basically. Our approach with Assad has kept us from uniting in that regard. It is not the end of the world to second-guess the efficiency of that strategy.
His finances are another story and he needs to be more transparent in that regard.
I am still confused about how Russia wanting Trump to be president is any reflection on him. If Iran wanted Hillary to be president would that reflect on her (I think it is a fairly safe assumption that they would rather have Hillary than Trump). If he was involved in influencing the election from outside the democratic process by leaking intel or providing avenues through which the Russian government could hack the DNC and personal emails then that would reflect on him. Outside of his direct involvement this is a Russia issue (and it seems pretty clear they were involved).
So then it becomes a President Trump issue, not an electoral college issue. Assuming this investigation continues to go down the path it has started, then Trump is going to have to make decisions on how to appropriately respond. If he does not respond appropriately then I will join the bandwagon. My guess is that he will NOT respond appropriately once president,but this isn't an election issue. It is a policy issue (unless Trump actually participated in the influencing scheme - if he did participate then it absolutely is an electoral college issue).
So I am good with the investigation and hope we are thorough. There is plenty of smoke. I would like to see the facts.
This seems incredibly myopic. You think the only way to influence foreign elections is through outright vote-rigging?
Many people in this country (despite their miserable lives) believe they are better than others and blessed by God simply for being American. Sure you can believe this but to then apply that thinking globally is the opposite of what America has fought for through out the world.
This entire episode just proves if you live long enough you will see the world turned on its ear. The most liberal among our population backing the CIA and wanting to call Russia into question?
The liberals have consistently been wrong about both the Soviet Union and Russia, namely by downplaying the threat posed by the former USSR and hyperventilating over Putin's Russia today. Dominated by their own ideological prejudices, the liberals are prevented from perceiving others - in this case the USSR and Russia - with any sort of clarity.
Is it really that next level? I don't believe Trump's campaign had any contact with Russia during the campaign because:
1. That would be Treason and no one on Trump's team except Trump strikes me as that brazen.
2. I don't think they are disciplined enough to get away with it.
OTOH, nothing would surprise me any more at this point. Trump doesn't seem to care about other bright line rules so why should we assume that he would never go this far.
I am still confused about how Russia wanting Trump to be president is any reflection on him. If Iran wanted Hillary to be president would that reflect on her (I think it is a fairly safe assumption that they would rather have Hillary than Trump). If he was involved in influencing the election from outside the democratic process by leaking intel or providing avenues through which the Russian government could hack the DNC and personal emails then that would reflect on him. Outside of his direct involvement this is a Russia issue (and it seems pretty clear they were involved).
So then it becomes a President Trump issue, not an electoral college issue. Assuming this investigation continues to go down the path it has started, then Trump is going to have to make decisions on how to appropriately respond. If he does not respond appropriately then I will join the bandwagon. My guess is that he will NOT respond appropriately once president,but this isn't an election issue. It is a policy issue (unless Trump actually participated in the influencing scheme - if he did participate then it absolutely is an electoral college issue).
So I am good with the investigation and hope we are thorough. There is plenty of smoke. I would like to see the facts.
This entire episode just proves if you live long enough you will see the world turned on its ear. The most conservative among our population backing Russia and wanting to call the CIA into question?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ya...iser-and-kremlin-175046002.html?client=safari
"U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials — including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president, according to multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue."
How should liberals view them? You kidding yourself if you don't think your head would be exploding if Hillary had gone pro-Putin/Russia, told the CIA she didn't trust them, pissed off China, and stacked her cabinet with people with significant ties to the Russians. Limbaugh would have an on-air heart attack.
What liberals in the past 60 years supported Russia, DeacMan? That's a totally BS assertion. "Liberal" may not have see a commie under every bed, but the Dem Party and their leaders certainly didn't look well upon Russia. That's just gibberish.