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Do GT fans care that they will never actually win anything with a Paul Johnson offense? We complain here that we are too complacent with mild success but "traditional" programs are too aggressive in pursuit of championships despite 9-10 win seasons. GT is the perfect in between, pretty good years of 8-10 wins but absolutely no chance in the playoff era to win.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Do GT fans care that they will never actually win anything with a Paul Johnson offense? We complain here that we are too complacent with mild success but "traditional" programs are too aggressive in pursuit of championships despite 9-10 win seasons. GT is the perfect in between, pretty good years of 8-10 wins but absolutely no chance in the playoff era to win.
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It GT wins 8-10 times a year, and one of those wins is UGA......it's a good year.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Do GT fans care that they will never actually win anything with a Paul Johnson offense? We complain here that we are too complacent with mild success but "traditional" programs are too aggressive in pursuit of championships despite 9-10 win seasons. GT is the perfect in between, pretty good years of 8-10 wins but absolutely no chance in the playoff era to win.
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We've won the Coastal Division 4 times under PJ, won an ACC title and won a BCS bowl. We were 2 points away from probably being in the playoff in 2014.

Given the limitations GT has as a program, that's an awful lot of winning. We won't get back to the heights of the 60s, but that has nothing to do with who is the coach and more with the Institute itself and the way college football has changed.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Do GT fans care that they will never actually win anything with a Paul Johnson offense? We complain here that we are too complacent with mild success but "traditional" programs are too aggressive in pursuit of championships despite 9-10 win seasons. GT is the perfect in between, pretty good years of 8-10 wins but absolutely no chance in the playoff era to win.
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I'd take it.
 
vadimivich said:
We've won the Coastal Division 4 times under PJ, won an ACC title and won a BCS bowl. We were 2 points away from probably being in the playoff in 2014.

Given the limitations GT has as a program, that's an awful lot of winning. We won't get back to the heights of the 60s, but that has nothing to do with who is the coach and more with the Institute itself and the way college football has changed.
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Vad 1 - Louis 0. Why do people keep asking him dumb questions?
 
That was the question do you take winning with a gimmick offense and no chance of a national championship or do you want more, it's pretty much a more successful LOWF.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
That was the question do you take winning with a gimmick offense and no chance of a national championship or do you want more, it's pretty much a more successful LOWF.
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Nothing at all wrong with that. The idea that you're either a FSU caliber program or LOWF is pretty bogus in college football. There's about a dozen or less programs who contend for the playoffs on an annual basis.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
That was the question do you take winning with a gimmick offense and no chance of a national championship or do you want more, it's pretty much a more successful LOWF.
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Frankly, it's the only chance we have of a national championship. We aren't going to recruit (for various structural reasons) at the level of say ... Clemson or FSU, so we have to work with what we've got. And that 2014 team darn near snuck into the Playoffs. Lost to FSU in the ACCCG 37-35 and then went and obliterated MSU in the Orange Bowl.

I don't think it's LOWF to look at your limitations and try to attack them as best as possible. LOWF was hiring Brian Gregory to coach our basketball program which has none of the limitations that effect football and just being like "fuck it".
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Do GT fans care that they will never actually win anything with a Paul Johnson offense? We complain here that we are too complacent with mild success but "traditional" programs are too aggressive in pursuit of championships despite 9-10 win seasons. GT is the perfect in between, pretty good years of 8-10 wins but absolutely no chance in the playoff era to win.
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vadimivich said:
We've won the Coastal Division 4 times under PJ, won an ACC title and won a BCS bowl. We were 2 points away from probably being in the playoff in 2014.

Given the limitations GT has as a program, that's an awful lot of winning. We won't get back to the heights of the 60s, but that has nothing to do with who is the coach and more with the Institute itself and the way college football has changed.
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Yeah basketball is a completely different mindset. Just in my opinion I don't see the offense ever winning two playoff games against two teams with month preparation. However the only way to disprove this is for GT to do it, so it's an impossible argument to have. For lesser schools maybe all that's left to do is a gimmick. I wouldn't be that opposed if Wake actually went full odds and went for fourth down all the time based off the actual percentages, numbers and doofus would cream their pants.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Yeah basketball is a completely different mindset. Just in my opinion I don't see the offense ever winning two playoff games against two teams with month preparation. However the only way to disprove this is for GT to do it, so it's an impossible argument to have. For lesser schools maybe all that's left to do is a gimmick. I wouldn't be that opposed if Wake actually went full odds and went for fourth down all the time based off the actual percentages, numbers and doofus would cream their pants.
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I think you're basing the entire concept on a bit of a fallacy - that Paul Johnson's offense is something you can "figure out" with enough time and no matter the execution or players it just goes poof like Cinderella or something.

The reality is that some of GT's best offensive performances have come against teams who had tons of time to prepare (MSU in the 2014 Orange Bowl, UT to start this season, etc) and some of the worst performances happened against teams who had short weeks (a couple of stinkers against Duke in particular come to mind).
 
FWIW - PJ's much bigger problem is that his defenses are largely unwashed ass. We've never had anything better than even "average" under him (except for the first season where Chan Gailey left him a DL with 5 NFL players on it).
 
vadimivich said:
I think you're basing the entire concept on a bit of a fallacy - that Paul Johnson's offense is something you can "figure out" with enough time and no matter the execution or players it just goes poof like Cinderella or something.

The reality is that some of GT's best offensive performances have come against teams who had tons of time to prepare (MSU in the 2014 Orange Bowl, UT to start this season, etc) and some of the worst performances happened against teams who had short weeks (a couple of stinkers against Duke in particular come to mind).
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Vad.....our GT 'guest' just hits 12,000 posts.
 
Dekin said:
Vad.....our GT 'guest' just hits 12,000 posts.
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Legacy of the old ACCBoards days, the Wake board was always the best one to hang on and chat general ACC stuff (and soccer). I've probably met 10-15 posters from here IRL as well :)
 
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