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Doral Moore trapping at midcourt

BillBrasky said:
Doral also took his sweet time getting back to his man. Hard to judge the trap from just that youtube clip, as I'd like to see how Doral got to that spot originally, but it was poorly executed.
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I wish that clip was longer. Moore was standing at the basket with Chukwu, and Boeheim starts talking to Chukwu. Chukwu finally gets what he is saying, and runs to mid court to set the pick. Smart play and good coaching.

Both Woods and Crawford should have shaded to the middle more. Especially Crawford, since Dolezaj shoots 14% from 3 and wasn't much of an offensive threat that game.
 
wfu22fan said:
We don’t need our only rim protector leaving the area of the rim.
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What you are arguing for is a zone defense, with Moore playing the middle and not leaving the lane. That's not unreasonable, but we haven't played the zone that well this year and it makes defensive rebounding more difficult.
 
I mean, he can leave the lane occasionally. But having him go to midcourt in that situation is colossally dumb
 
I'd like to see Sarr do a lot of that next year with Doral set in the middle. As long, quick and athletic Sarr is, this could work well.
 
Rafi said:
What you are arguing for is a zone defense, with Moore playing the middle and not leaving the lane. That's not unreasonable, but we haven't played the zone that well this year and it makes defensive rebounding more difficult.
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Man to man doesn't mean you have to be in arm's length of your man at all times. Especially when your man is a center at half court.
 
The initial strategy isn't the problem, it is the execution. To make that work, the team must work together seamlessly - that takes a lot of effort, will... and coaching. Everyone has to help and recover and do it aggressively, quickly and without hesitation. Done correctly, the best the offense would end up with would be a jumper with a defensive man running at them with a hand up. Done the way we did it they get a layup.
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Man to man doesn't mean you have to be in arm's length of your man at all times. Especially when your man is a center at half court.
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Of course not, but you also can't stay under the basket and not help defend the pick and roll. Moore attempted to defend the pick and roll with a hedge, didn't sprint back with his man, his teammates didn't cover the lane well, and his man got an easy bucket. As I wrote earlier, the pick and roll, when run well, is tough to defend.

As others have pointed out, there were many other defensive breakdowns on this sequence. I've been very down on Wake's defense for years. But man to man and the hedge and trap are normal defensive strategies, you just need to run them well (see UVA).
 
Also would've helped if Moore kept his hands up the whole time as soon as he had the guy trapped. Don't really get the point of not having them up the whole time. If you have a 15-foot wingspan, might want to take advantage of it
 
Rafi said:
Of course not, but you also can't stay under the basket and not help defend the pick and roll. Moore attempted to defend the pick and roll with a hedge, didn't sprint back with his man, his teammates didn't cover the lane well, and his man got an easy bucket. As I wrote earlier, the pick and roll, when run well, is tough to defend.

As others have pointed out, there were many other defensive breakdowns on this sequence. I've been very down on Wake's defense for years. But man to man and the hedge and trap are normal defensive strategies, you just need to run them well (see UVA).
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He wasn’t defending a pick and roll. His man at the foul line while he ran out to midcourt. It was a trap, not a pick and roll. It is always dumb to have Moore out at the top of the key trying to hedge on pick and rolls but it was idiotic to have him at midcourt trying to trap.
 
Have you ever heard of pack line defense? Do you think UVA’s center ever goes to midcourt to trap? Hell no. Guard the rim with your big man. His 7’ height does him no good 30 feet from the basket. Moore is not quick or athletic enough to be effective more than 5 feet from the rim.
 
wfu22fan said:
He wasn’t defending a pick and roll. His man at the foul line while he ran out to midcourt. It was a trap, not a pick and roll. It is always dumb to have Moore out at the top of the key trying to hedge on pick and rolls but it was idiotic to have him at midcourt trying to trap.
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Watching it again his man did go out and set a pick and Moore stayed there and double teamed. Makes feel better about the play, but Manning should have beaten it into our players' heads not to trap in that situation
 
We may need to go to the video to confirm this, but I remember thinking "why is Moore STILL out there trying to double team the ball handler" which is a trap 30 some feet away from the hoop, not a hedge to help on the high pick and roll.

Regardless, we looked totally lost in how to help or not allow their center just to meander down the lane, right under the basket. Nice look-away pass and hysterical tomahawk chop foul by Crawford, to no avail.

It was like "man-to-man" where YOUR man is open, get back here and guard him because I got my man...oops.

All of it: not how it is recommended to defend as the game was still very close.
 
wsc8521s said:
Yeah, he deffo lingered out there
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He pitched a tent out there while everyone else stood and watched his man move from the foul line to the basket alone. Then Crawford basically hands the ball to his defender, then fouls him, on our next possession. Massive late game clusterfuck #12 this year.
 
wsc8521s said:
Yeah, he deffo lingered out there
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He lingered because he was tired as hell after playing his ass off for 34 mins with 16 & 16. No, he shouldn't have hedged Chkwu ever beyond the FT or 3pt line especially in last mins. But that is why it is called team defense.
 
sportsmed86 said:
He lingered because he was tired as hell after playing his ass off for 34 mins with 16 & 16. No, he shouldn't have hedged Chkwu ever beyond the FT or 3pt line especially in last mins. But that is why it is called team defense.
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Gotta suck it up and play defense in the last 3 minutes. In not blaming Moore for being 30 feet from the hoop. That’s on Manning. Outcoached again. Very easy to do.
 
wfu22fan said:
Gotta suck it up and play defense in the last 3 minutes. In not blaming Moore for being 30 feet from the hoop. That’s on Manning. Outcoached again. Very easy to do.
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If your legs are dead, no amount of "want to" will make them move fast. Doral has had stamina issues his whole time at Wake. He would probably be better off playing 25-30 min per game, not 30+. Sarr should be playing the 5 position for about 10 min per game.
 
Deaconblue said:
If your legs are dead, no amount of "want to" will make them move fast.
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BS. Endurance athletes sprint to the finish all of the time. It's a matter of attitude and desire. A college kid isn't so gassed from a basketball game that he can't manage to sprint 1/4 of the court.
 
RacerDeac said:
BS. Endurance athletes sprint to the finish all of the time. It's a matter of attitude and desire. A college kid isn't so gassed from a basketball game that he can't manage to sprint 1/4 of the court.
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Apparently you haven't been paying much attention to these Boards or Wake BB on court. Doral's stamina has been an evident and much discussed issue since he arrived at Wake. It has been waaaayyyy out of line with that of most college BB players. At 30 min playing time he just couldn't move.
 
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