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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

Wes needs to win in a bigger league for me. There aren't many programs in the current SoCon that take basketball seriously. Certainly not one hand's full.

P6 programs rarely if ever hire a dude from such a low level. Enfield is the one that pops most prominently to mind, but he made the Sweet 16
 
Wes needs to win in a bigger league for me. There aren't many programs in the current SoCon that take basketball seriously. Certainly not one hand's full.

P6 programs rarely if ever hire a dude from such a low level. Enfield is the one that pops most prominently to mind, but he made the Sweet 16
If we wait that long then we won't get him
 
Nah. Don't neccessarily have to wait for him to win huge at a AAC/Atlantic 10 type job (or even a notch below that), just enough to show he's up to the task in a league where the majority of the teams are at least trying.

Will Wade jumped from the SoCon to A10, did well at VCU, then left for basketball powerhouse LSU
 
Wes needs to win in a bigger league for me. There aren't many programs in the current SoCon that take basketball seriously. Certainly not one hand's full.

P6 programs rarely if ever hire a dude from such a low level. Enfield is the one that pops most prominently to mind, but he made the Sweet 16

Now, Enfield's USC has multiple players in payola scandal. Hmmmmm...
 
I can't presume to know whether Danny Manning is the right coach for us. But I will presume that "coaching" could not fix what's wrong with this year's team. The notion that our losses are purely a result of coaching is ridiculous.
 
Thanks for the link to Dan Collins blog. Someone email that link to Wellman.
 
I can't presume to know whether Danny Manning is the right coach for us. But I will presume that "coaching" could not fix what's wrong with this year's team. The notion that our losses are purely a result of coaching is ridiculous.
Agreed but we should probably be a 16-18 win team
 
No we shouldn't. This team has gaping holes.

You don't think that 16 wins was a reasonable expectation? Because that was the bottom end of the range you gave in the pre-season prediction thread.
 
ridiculous to claim we shouldn't have 16 wins

that would mean our current wins plus wins over:

Georgia Southern, at home
Liberty, at home
Drake, at a neutral site

and two of:
NC State at home or away
Notre Dame without Colson at home
Virginia Tech at home
Clemson at home
Tennessee at home
BC on the road

of course we should have at least 16 wins
 
I'm in the camp for giving Manning next year, but even I can't get behind any type of "this was what we should have expected" argument with this team. If your goal was just to win games - not develop players, not fulfill promises to transfers or seniors, not stubbornly throw wild lineups out there game after game, etc. - there's no way we'd have only one player averaging 30 minutes.

Thompson was an unmitigated disaster, yet he's 3 minutes per game under Chaundee's average. Sarr and Mitchell may stink it up right now, but they're at least as good as him and they have a future. The only rational sense I can make of Thompson's stranglehold on the starting position is that to get him to come here it was promised to him. In multiple games Sarr's hit the table under the 2 minute mark. Who starts 29 games but gets subbed that quickly? And if Woods leaves the program for another school when we have Hoard and Mucius coming in, you have to believe it's because he watched Wilbekin start over him all year despite the fact that he's twice the basketball player Wilbekin is. Did Crawford and Woods struggle a little to figure out roles in the 5 games they started together? Sure. And if you absolutely half to play Wilbekin 25 minutes a game does it make sense to make him a 6th man? Yes.

But I'd be very, very dubious of any claim that if we'd played Crawford/Woods/Brown/Moore basically as many minutes as is reasonable - with the core 3 at 30+ minutes a game like the vast majority of other ACC teams - we'd have a more cohesive unit that would have won more games. Sure, you still have to bite the bullet and probably start Sarr all year in a very reduced role, but when those two guy's minutes combined didn't sniff Chilldress or Wilbekin minutes on the year... Well if we were going to suck then that wasn't a great use of minutes.

It's not that I don't get the plan (I think) - Manning's dream is a deep team of athletic wings/SF types and a dominant big sprinkled with 3 point shooters. And it's true that there have been a lot of really great teams (thinkin of UNC, Kansas, etc.) that made deep tourney runs thanks to depth and versatility. But if you're going to turn bad seasons into awful ones because you don't adjust to the personnel, there'd better be a nice payoff when you do get the type of team you want. We'll have talent and depth everywhere next year, even with Woods leaving. Craw/Chill is an elite point guard combo, Chaundee was a huge recruit and has all the tools, Moore is a dominant 5, Hoard is an NBA player, and you get to mix in Sarr, Mucius, Melo, Mitchell, etc. to add the versatility to the squad.

The story will either be 2 NCAA's in his first 5 years after taking over a complete dumpster fire, or another ACC coach on the hot seat with one brief run of great play by John Collins as the only bright spot.
 
So... I went to the game on Saturday and actually had a really good time minus the outcome. The atmosphere was actually fairly good and I got to enjoy a soft pretzel and some beer.

As for the game...

I was really happy with the game until the last 8 minutes of the second half. When we went up by 9, I thought we might have a chance. Wilbekin played great and we were attacking the basket. It was when we were doing the Chick-Fil-a Fowl Shot that the game took an ugly turn. We got jittery and stopped attacking the basket. Settling for long ball and missing the shots let ND climb back in to the game. However, I almost blew a gasket when after Ferrel hit the 3 and we had 5 minutes due to clock failure that DM called his last timeout. Why didn't get rally the guys and dig deep? Better yet, why didn't he do it earlier when ND had come all the way back? Overall, the Deacs played a great game until the last 8 minutes of the game.

I still enjoyed my time, I just wish I could have seen a win.
 
Not really. They are just being asked to do more than they should be. Play them 2 at time and ask them to just play the guard position and they will be more than adequate.

Childress is a mid-major level guard. Woods doesn't play defense. Wilbekin is a midget. Crawford is the only one who fits your description and he's checked out half the time.

The two guards we have coming in are no better than the four we have.
 
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