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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

We can have democrats like this!

 
ChrisL68 said:
I call bullshit on that. 25% of Hillary voters voted for McCain then he would have won. She had more primary votes than obama did. And the vitriol in that election subsided much quicker than in 2016.
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"I call bullshit on that. Here's my feelings."
 
ChrisL68 said:
I call bullshit on that. 25% of Hillary voters voted for McCain then he would have won. She had more primary votes than obama did. And the vitriol in that election subsided much quicker than in 2016.
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Not really. Not that many people vote in the primaries. Many people self identify either as independents or those beloved centrists who just blindly decide to give the other party shot after one party has been in charge for a while. If you win those folks over that's more than enough to win an election, and that's exactly what Obama did and Hilary didn't
 
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wsc8521s said:
Not really. Not that many people vote in the primaries. Many people self identify either as independents or those beloved centrists who just blindly decide to give the other party shot after one party has been in charge for a while. If you win those folks over that's more than enough to win an election, and that's exactly what Obama did and Hilary didn't
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About 50% of the people voted in the primaries as Obama had general election votes. And that includes a lot of states that have caucuses so the number would be much higher than that. I still don't buy it. You couldn't lose that much Core Democratic support and win the election.
 
WFFaithful said:
Great analogy. Blue wave is beautiful while the red tide leaves destruction in its wake.
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Normally, this would be a huge scandal. In the Trump administration, it's just another day at the office. #Normalization
 
wsc8521s said:
Not really. Not that many people vote in the primaries. Many people self identify either as independents or those beloved centrists who just blindly decide to give the other party shot after one party has been in charge for a while. If you win those folks over that's more than enough to win an election, and that's exactly what Obama did and Hilary didn't
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I too would like to see a link that shows the Hillary to McCain numbers you claim. 2008 had historically high primary participation, especially among Democrats.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
I too would like to see a link that shows the Hillary to McCain numbers you claim. 2008 had historically high primary participation, especially among Democrats.
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I already posted the link to the WaPo writeup, but here it is again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lection/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d570a0b54ace.

It's not a huge sample size admittedly on one of the surveys that is linked, though the one that produced the 25% figure did have a pool of 20K. Either way, the burden of proof is on those who claim more Bernie people went for Trump than Hillary people went for McCain -- I'm willing to go along with it being even as opposed to one year being much higher than the other
 
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First polling from Florida.
http://files.constantcontact.com/a97ff0ce601/d420c047-65fd-49bd-9631-f7d774d9c41d.pdf


DeSantis is -4% in favorability overall and -29% among Independents and -39% among people who didn't vote for Hillary or Trump or didn't vote at all. By comparison, Gillum is +18 overall, +37% among Independents and +23% among people who didn't vote for Hillary or Trump.

Independents are leaning heavily to the Democrats. Gillum wins each age group. Nelson only loses among his fellow 65 and over crowd.


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wsc8521s said:
I already posted the link to the WaPo writeup, but here it is again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lection/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d570a0b54ace.

It's not a huge sample size admittedly on one of the surveys that is linked, though the one that produced the 25% figure did have a pool of 20K. Either way, the burden of proof is on those who claim more Bernie people went for Trump than Hillary people went for McCain -- I'm willing to go along with it being even as opposed to one year being much higher than the other
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Ah, that WaPo link is behind a paywall.

I'm not really involving myself in the Bernie -> Trump vs. Clinton -> McCain debate. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around that 25% number on its own.
 
warak said:
I couldn't agree more.
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You know what the response would be like from Fox News if Obama had used a government agency to disclose private information about a Republican candidate to a Democratic PAC. That would also have been the correct response.
 
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