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Republicans Shut Down the Federal Government Again & Suffer Humiliating Defeat

Better than not having a government.

So what is Pelosi’s play? Hold hearings on border security and come up with a reasonable bill?
 
scooter84 said:
I'm curious about the bolded statement. Is this really true? Compared to what? I am no expert but I am under the impression that is it much harder to immigrate to most other countries than it is to the US? Is that wrong?
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Yes. It is very hard to immigrate to the US.

There are basically 5 main ways to immigrate to the US (while there are other immigrant visas besides these 5 (such a U-visas for victims of crimes, etc.), their numbers are negligible - usually fewer than 1,000/year)

1) Family Reunification - If you are a citizen or are a legal permanent resident (green card holder), you may apply for "immediate family members" to receive an immigrant visa to come to the US. Immediate family member is defined strictly as parent, spouse, or child, nothing else (no grandparents, uncles, cousins, etc.). A maximum of 460,000 family-based immigration visas are issued each year and no more than 7% of these may be from a single country. These requests are processed on a priority basis and on a timetable. The time table is generally 15-25 years. For example, the immigration court in Charlotte is now dealing with cases submitted in the third quarter of fiscal year 1998.

2) Employer sponsored immigration - there are a certain number of immigrant visas reserved for the workforce. Generally, these have to be applied for by a company who is offering a job to an individual. These visas are generally reserved for highly skilled workers/professors with advanced degrees, although if a company can show need, there are a limited number of visas for unskilled workers provided a company can attest that no suitable or willing workers exist within the country. The current cap on these visas is 66,000 per year, with 33k in the first half of the year, and 33k in the second.

3) Refugees - Since 1980 the USRAP has resettled refugees (meaning those who have fled their country due to a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. This individual first must apply to be a refugee with UNHCR and then must be referred to the USRAP either by UNHCR or a US Embassy (usually happens when a refugee who has been resettled in the US files an AOR to bring a relative. An AOR does not guarantee resettlement, but it does ensure that if they are approved for resettlement, they will be resettled in the US. Generally, refugees who are resettled do not get to choose to which country they are sent). The max cap of refugees is set each year by a presidential determination. Since the inception of the Refugee resettlement program, the number has generally fluctuated between 70,000-85,000, with its high point at 110,000 heading into FY2017 (although that number was cut mid-year). The US resettled many more refugees prior to the act in response to the Vietnam war and WW2 (in mid 70s, we resettled over 200,000 refugees in one year - mostly Vietnamese). Right now, the cap for this year is set at 25,000, although while previous administrations saw the cap as a goal as well, this is not true with this administration (for example, last year the cap was 45,000, but we only resettle 22,500 for the year) - so we'll see. SIVs (special immigrant visas that are given to individuals who are in danger because of service to the US - such as interpreters for the army, etc.) fall under this category as well and are tied to the refugee max-cap as well.

4) Asylum seekers - Asylum seekers are similar to refugees in that they must show a well-found fear of persecution due to the previous stated classes/groups. The difference here is that asylum seekers ask for admission from within the US or at a Port of Entry. It is legal to seek asylum and by us law, it does not have to be at a POE (so one could cross the border illegally and ask for asylum and that is legal and they have a right to due process in their asylum hearing). When someone asks for asylum, they must go before an asylum hearing and a judge to see if they have a credible fear because of one of the explicitly stated reasons. Up until last year, while waiting for the hearing, asylum seekers were allowed to enter the country and have a case worker check in with them. This program had a 97% success rate in having asylum seekers show up at their hearing This administration disbanded this program, opting instead to detain all asylum seekers. The big problem here is the lack of resources and hearing judges. As of right now, there is a backlog of over 800,000 asylum cases. The real humanitarian crisis at the border could greatly be alleviated by using some of the "wall money" to pay for judges to adjudicate case and clear the backlog.

5) Diversity Lottery - You can also put your name in a lottery to receive an immigrant visa. There are only 50,000 each year. You are automatically ineligible for a DV lottery visa if you are from a country that has sent 50,000 or more immigrants to the US total over the past 5 years - so for this year: Bangladesh, Brazil, China, Canada, Colombia, DR, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, S. Korea, UK, and Vietnam. Countries included in Trumps "travel [Muslim] Ban" are also ineligible for a dv lottery visa. These countries are Iran, Libya, N. Korea, Somalia, Venezuela, Syria, and Yemen. Usually over 18 million people apply for these each year, making the odds of receiving a dv lottery visa about 1 in 400.

That's it. Those are the the only ways to enter the US as an immigrant. Either you wait for 20 years to join a family member, are one of 66,000 highly skilled workers that get to enter each year, have suffered extreme trauma and loss of protection and your home, or one of the 50,000 holders of a golden ticket.
 
Seen on twitter: "If Trump really wanted to see Hillary locked up, he should've just hired her to work on his campaign." LOL.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
Yes. It is very hard to immigrate to the US.

There are basically 5 main ways to immigrate to the US (while there are other immigrant visas besides these 5 (such a U-visas for victims of crimes, etc.), their numbers are negligible - usually fewer than 1,000/year)

1) Family Reunification - If you are a citizen or are a legal permanent resident (green card holder), you may apply for "immediate family members" to receive an immigrant visa to come to the US. Immediate family member is defined strictly as parent, spouse, or child, nothing else (no grandparents, uncles, cousins, etc.). A maximum of 460,000 family-based immigration visas are issued each year and no more than 7% of these may be from a single country. These requests are processed on a priority basis and on a timetable. The time table is generally 15-25 years. For example, the immigration court in Charlotte is now dealing with cases submitted in the third quarter of fiscal year 1998.

2) Employer sponsored immigration - there are a certain number of immigrant visas reserved for the workforce. Generally, these have to be applied for by a company who is offering a job to an individual. These visas are generally reserved for highly skilled workers/professors with advanced degrees, although if a company can show need, there are a limited number of visas for unskilled workers provided a company can attest that no suitable or willing workers exist within the country. The current cap on these visas is 66,000 per year, with 33k in the first half of the year, and 33k in the second.

3) Refugees - Since 1980 the USRAP has resettled refugees (meaning those who have fled their country due to a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. This individual first must apply to be a refugee with UNHCR and then must be referred to the USRAP either by UNHCR or a US Embassy (usually happens when a refugee who has been resettled in the US files an AOR to bring a relative. An AOR does not guarantee resettlement, but it does ensure that if they are approved for resettlement, they will be resettled in the US. Generally, refugees who are resettled do not get to choose to which country they are sent). The max cap of refugees is set each year by a presidential determination. Since the inception of the Refugee resettlement program, the number has generally fluctuated between 70,000-85,000, with its high point at 110,000 heading into FY2017 (although that number was cut mid-year). The US resettled many more refugees prior to the act in response to the Vietnam war and WW2 (in mid 70s, we resettled over 200,000 refugees in one year - mostly Vietnamese). Right now, the cap for this year is set at 25,000, although while previous administrations saw the cap as a goal as well, this is not true with this administration (for example, last year the cap was 45,000, but we only resettle 22,500 for the year) - so we'll see. SIVs (special immigrant visas that are given to individuals who are in danger because of service to the US - such as interpreters for the army, etc.) fall under this category as well and are tied to the refugee max-cap as well.

4) Asylum seekers - Asylum seekers are similar to refugees in that they must show a well-found fear of persecution due to the previous stated classes/groups. The difference here is that asylum seekers ask for admission from within the US or at a Port of Entry. It is legal to seek asylum and by us law, it does not have to be at a POE (so one could cross the border illegally and ask for asylum and that is legal and they have a right to due process in their asylum hearing). When someone asks for asylum, they must go before an asylum hearing and a judge to see if they have a credible fear because of one of the explicitly stated reasons. Up until last year, while waiting for the hearing, asylum seekers were allowed to enter the country and have a case worker check in with them. This program had a 97% success rate in having asylum seekers show up at their hearing This administration disbanded this program, opting instead to detain all asylum seekers. The big problem here is the lack of resources and hearing judges. As of right now, there is a backlog of over 800,000 asylum cases. The real humanitarian crisis at the border could greatly be alleviated by using some of the "wall money" to pay for judges to adjudicate case and clear the backlog.

5) Diversity Lottery - You can also put your name in a lottery to receive an immigrant visa. There are only 50,000 each year. You are automatically ineligible for a DV lottery visa if you are from a country that has sent 50,000 or more immigrants to the US total over the past 5 years - so for this year: Bangladesh, Brazil, China, Canada, Colombia, DR, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, S. Korea, UK, and Vietnam. Countries included in Trumps "travel [Muslim] Ban" are also ineligible for a dv lottery visa. These countries are Iran, Libya, N. Korea, Somalia, Venezuela, Syria, and Yemen. Usually over 18 million people apply for these each year, making the odds of receiving a dv lottery visa about 1 in 400.

That's it. Those are the the only ways to enter the US as an immigrant. Either you wait for 20 years to join a family member, are one of 66,000 highly skilled workers that get to enter each year, have suffered extreme trauma and loss of protection and your home, or one of the 50,000 holders of a golden ticket.
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This is all correct.

It is extraordinarily difficult to immigrate to the USA, and has bee made drastically harder than it was even just 25 years ago.

We are now one of the most closed countries in the world, which for the "Nation of Immigrants" is a complete shameful situation to be in.
 
imgaine that. scooter had a strong opinion about a topic he knows nothing about.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
Yes. It is very hard to immigrate to the US.

There are basically 5 main ways to immigrate to the US (while there are other immigrant visas besides these 5 (such a U-visas for victims of crimes, etc.), their numbers are negligible - usually fewer than 1,000/year)

1) Family Reunification - If you are a citizen or are a legal permanent resident (green card holder), you may apply for "immediate family members" to receive an immigrant visa to come to the US. Immediate family member is defined strictly as parent, spouse, or child, nothing else (no grandparents, uncles, cousins, etc.). A maximum of 460,000 family-based immigration visas are issued each year and no more than 7% of these may be from a single country. These requests are processed on a priority basis and on a timetable. The time table is generally 15-25 years. For example, the immigration court in Charlotte is now dealing with cases submitted in the third quarter of fiscal year 1998.

2) Employer sponsored immigration - there are a certain number of immigrant visas reserved for the workforce. Generally, these have to be applied for by a company who is offering a job to an individual. These visas are generally reserved for highly skilled workers/professors with advanced degrees, although if a company can show need, there are a limited number of visas for unskilled workers provided a company can attest that no suitable or willing workers exist within the country. The current cap on these visas is 66,000 per year, with 33k in the first half of the year, and 33k in the second.

3) Refugees - Since 1980 the USRAP has resettled refugees (meaning those who have fled their country due to a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. This individual first must apply to be a refugee with UNHCR and then must be referred to the USRAP either by UNHCR or a US Embassy (usually happens when a refugee who has been resettled in the US files an AOR to bring a relative. An AOR does not guarantee resettlement, but it does ensure that if they are approved for resettlement, they will be resettled in the US. Generally, refugees who are resettled do not get to choose to which country they are sent). The max cap of refugees is set each year by a presidential determination. Since the inception of the Refugee resettlement program, the number has generally fluctuated between 70,000-85,000, with its high point at 110,000 heading into FY2017 (although that number was cut mid-year). The US resettled many more refugees prior to the act in response to the Vietnam war and WW2 (in mid 70s, we resettled over 200,000 refugees in one year - mostly Vietnamese). Right now, the cap for this year is set at 25,000, although while previous administrations saw the cap as a goal as well, this is not true with this administration (for example, last year the cap was 45,000, but we only resettle 22,500 for the year) - so we'll see. SIVs (special immigrant visas that are given to individuals who are in danger because of service to the US - such as interpreters for the army, etc.) fall under this category as well and are tied to the refugee max-cap as well.

4) Asylum seekers - Asylum seekers are similar to refugees in that they must show a well-found fear of persecution due to the previous stated classes/groups. The difference here is that asylum seekers ask for admission from within the US or at a Port of Entry. It is legal to seek asylum and by us law, it does not have to be at a POE (so one could cross the border illegally and ask for asylum and that is legal and they have a right to due process in their asylum hearing). When someone asks for asylum, they must go before an asylum hearing and a judge to see if they have a credible fear because of one of the explicitly stated reasons. Up until last year, while waiting for the hearing, asylum seekers were allowed to enter the country and have a case worker check in with them. This program had a 97% success rate in having asylum seekers show up at their hearing This administration disbanded this program, opting instead to detain all asylum seekers. The big problem here is the lack of resources and hearing judges. As of right now, there is a backlog of over 800,000 asylum cases. The real humanitarian crisis at the border could greatly be alleviated by using some of the "wall money" to pay for judges to adjudicate case and clear the backlog.

5) Diversity Lottery - You can also put your name in a lottery to receive an immigrant visa. There are only 50,000 each year. You are automatically ineligible for a DV lottery visa if you are from a country that has sent 50,000 or more immigrants to the US total over the past 5 years - so for this year: Bangladesh, Brazil, China, Canada, Colombia, DR, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, S. Korea, UK, and Vietnam. Countries included in Trumps "travel [Muslim] Ban" are also ineligible for a dv lottery visa. These countries are Iran, Libya, N. Korea, Somalia, Venezuela, Syria, and Yemen. Usually over 18 million people apply for these each year, making the odds of receiving a dv lottery visa about 1 in 400.

That's it. Those are the the only ways to enter the US as an immigrant. Either you wait for 20 years to join a family member, are one of 66,000 highly skilled workers that get to enter each year, have suffered extreme trauma and loss of protection and your home, or one of the 50,000 holders of a golden ticket.
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You forgot the most popular ways of immigrating to America: remain in the US after your visa has expired and enter the country illegally.
 
sailordeac said:
You forgot the most popular ways of immigrating to America: remain in the US after your visa has expired and enter the country illegally.
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Cool, the question was if it were difficult to immigrate legally to the US and I outlined the very narrow parameters that allow one to immigrate legally, leading to many opting for unlawful entry or overstay.

But I'll play.

DHS statistics for FY17 say that only .51% of those with non-immigrant visas overstayed their visa (and a good portion of this percentage later left). so this means in FY17 DHS estimated that about 180,000 overstayed their visa with presumed intent to stay (as opposed to needing one more year in school, medical situations, etc.)

Unlawful entry is a little harder to track (for many reasons), and this is compounded by the administration's zero tolerance policy which treats those who claim asylum as unlawful entry, skewing the numbers. Still, unlawful entry is declining each year.
 
wow nice sailor

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Sebastian Gorka appeared on Lou Dobbs tonight yesterday and claimed that Trump's ending of the shutdown was a "master stroke." Lou Dobbs flatly disagreed, and said that Pelosi "just whipped the President of the United States...and to deny it is to try to escape from reality, and we ain't going to do that here." Dobbs also referred to Pelosi as "the queen of the hill." When even Lou Dobbs isn't willing to spin for Trump, you know it's bad. LOL.

Link: https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ou-dobbs-says-pelosi-whipped-president/222659
 
Highland Deac said:
Sebastian Gorka appeared on Lou Dobbs tonight yesterday and claimed that Trump's ending of the shutdown was a "master stroke." Lou Dobbs flatly disagreed, and said that Pelosi "just whipped the President of the United States...and to deny it is to try to escape from reality, and we ain't going to do that here." Dobbs also referred to Pelosi as "the queen of the hill." When even Lou Dobbs isn't willing to spin for Trump, you know it's bad. LOL.

Link: https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...ou-dobbs-says-pelosi-whipped-president/222659
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I really don’t like this rhetoric because it will actually motivate trump to be more of an asshole. Dude is pretty easily controlled by appealing to his ego.
 
That’s what Dobbs and Coulter and crew are trying to do.
 
To her credit, Pelosi didn’t ball spike unless you count that plant quip.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
Cool, the question was if it were difficult to immigrate legally to the US and I outlined the very narrow parameters that allow one to immigrate legally, leading to many opting for unlawful entry or overstay.

But I'll play.

DHS statistics for FY17 say that only .51% of those with non-immigrant visas overstayed their visa (and a good portion of this percentage later left). so this means in FY17 DHS estimated that about 180,000 overstayed their visa with presumed intent to stay (as opposed to needing one more year in school, medical situations, etc.)

Unlawful entry is a little harder to track (for many reasons), and this is compounded by the administration's zero tolerance policy which treats those who claim asylum as unlawful entry, skewing the numbers. Still, unlawful entry is declining each year.
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But I thought the Dems claimed that most illegals were due to overstaying visas. Your numbers don't seem to confirm this Dem claim.

The census might be a good way to get much more accurate information but the Dems want to block that.

An unknown number of unlawful entries and lack of cooperation by businesses and some local governments most likely make the determination of the number of illegal immigrants living in the US highly inexact.

Here are some stats:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/pro...Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents

Seems pretty high, especially if you ad the illegals.

US also admits the most immigrants per year, and probably has the highest percentage of immigrants in it's population

https://www.forbes.com/sites/modele...t-friendly-country-in-the-world/#7b2524665a1d

https://www.finglobal.com/2016/10/1...at-are-the-easiest-to-settle-into-for-expats/
 
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