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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

WFUtoUSC said:
Today I learned: the Pod Save America hosts aren't progressive enough. I'm genuinely surprised to hear this opinion.
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They personally aren’t, but that’s a dumb reason to not listen to their podcast or paint them as secretly part of the inside the beltway centrist punditry they are constantly railing against.
 
I rocks with MDMH and his views are close to mine, but I do think there is a misplaced energy in fighting the not-left-enough PSA-style liberals who push for things like Medicare For All. It smacks of a purity test -- that the entire platform of politics needs to be in order before you can move forward on a plank -- and I think that's a losing strategy. I don't think coalescing around an issue like healthcare or minimum wage increases or paid leave or what have you just because PSA-ites are too focused on, say, shallow identity politics along the way. Now, once a proposed solution to pay for M4A shows that it doesn't come on the backs (er...) of higher marginal tax rates and financial transactions, then the debate is necessary.

The Chapo Trap House-style of politics is fun and intellectually stimulating and has contributed to pulling the Democratic party rhetoric -- if not much in the way of action -- toward the left. But that bloc of voters ain't gonna lead to material quality-of-life changes for working people on the ground on their own. Not worth it for the claim at moral superiority.

I'm not saying stop holding corporatist ideology within PSA accountable. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with focusing on issue-based commonalities.

But PSA folks, hard to take you seriously when this is your brand:

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so, four genuine friends who decided to make a podcast is illegitimate because they're white? dumb
 
The thing I hate about Pod Save America is I don't get to hear any of the great Jon Lovitz characters.
 
RChildress107 said:
They personally aren’t, but that’s a dumb reason to not listen to their podcast or paint them as secretly part of the inside the beltway centrist punditry they are constantly railing against.
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They are literally centrist political professionals from the Kerry and Obama staffs. They could be living in the tunnel between Hart and Russell and not be more "inside the beltway"
 
I'm ashamed of this entire board that nobody posted the only appropriate link when Ph asked, "What is a stan?"

 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Dont worry, tunnels posters are continually amazed to hear that their politics aren't as far left as they imagine them to be. If you're on twitter, i've got some verified accounts I can recommend following, Black Socialists of America @blacksocialists is a good place start.
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mdmh you fuck with afro-pessimist/anti-colonial lit at all?
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
I rocks with MDMH and his views are close to mine, but I do think there is a misplaced energy in fighting the not-left-enough PSA-style liberals who push for things like Medicare For All. It smacks of a purity test -- that the entire platform of politics needs to be in order before you can move forward on a plank -- and I think that's a losing strategy. I don't think coalescing around an issue like healthcare or minimum wage increases or paid leave or what have you just because PSA-ites are too focused on, say, shallow identity politics along the way. Now, once a proposed solution to pay for M4A shows that it doesn't come on the backs (er...) of higher marginal tax rates and financial transactions, then the debate is necessary.

The Chapo Trap House-style of politics is fun and intellectually stimulating and has contributed to pulling the Democratic party rhetoric -- if not much in the way of action -- toward the left. But that bloc of voters ain't gonna lead to material quality-of-life changes for working people on the ground on their own. Not worth it for the claim at moral superiority.

I'm not saying stop holding corporatist ideology within PSA accountable. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with focusing on issue-based commonalities.

But PSA folks, hard to take you seriously when this is your brand:

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A little Wake tidbit -- Dan Pfeiffer is the brother of Bob Pfeiffer, a 2000 Wake grad and cool dude. Unfortunately, also white though.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
How do you guys feel about Andrew Yang? He takes some positions I disagree with like universal basic income for one, despite interesting ways he proposes to fund it, but overall he seems to be a Liberal with a pragmatic view of capitalism and how it can better peoples live when regulated properly. Thoughts?
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Came away with a very favorable impression of the dude after listening to him on Rogan. He does a much better job explaining his policy positions, whether or not I agree with them, than maybe everyone else in the field who I have listened to.
 
What general election campaign would have progressive Democrat have worked on in 2004 and 2008 besides Kerry and Obama?

Seems like MDMH is punishing them for trying to do something rather than yelling from the sidelines.
 
One of those PSA dudes looks a lot like JuiceCrew.

I tried to get into PSA. I find them kind of annoying more than anything. Pod Save the People and Crooked Conversations are better casts.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
One of those PSA dudes looks a lot like JuiceCrew.

I tried to get into PSA. I find them kind of annoying more than anything. Pod Save the People and Crooked Conversations are better casts.
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Yeah. It’s not for everybody but the reasons should be based on truth. I’m torn on Lovitz. Sometimes he’s legitimately funny. Other times he’s just annoying. His long drawn out analogies are good.
 
PhDeac said:
Yeah. It’s not for everybody but the reasons should be based on truth. I’m torn on Lovitz. Sometimes he’s legitimately funny. Other times he’s just annoying. His long drawn out analogies are good.
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Lovett** and yes he’s the pinnacle of “love him or hate him”. I personally am a fan but he can get tiresome.

Interesting fact about Lovett: his partner is Ronan Farrow.
 
Jon Lovett and PH's Jon Lovitz are dramatically different people.
 
TenaciousKory said:
mdmh you fuck with afro-pessimist/anti-colonial lit at all?
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I definitely dig it, but I dont read nearly as much as I should. I read "The Black Jacobins" a few months ago, a book about a leader of the Haitian Revolution. Last year I read Asata Shakur's autobiography, and something really cool, Zora Neal Hurston's recently found lost book called Barracoon, about the very last living African American slave.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Lovett** and yes he’s the pinnacle of “love him or hate him”. I personally am a fan but he can get tiresome.

Interesting fact about Lovett: his partner is Ronan Farrow.
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Yeah. That’s pretty cool. Very accomplished household.

“Lovett or Leave It” is apropos. I give Lovett props for trying those. His attempt at a Saints-Rams missed PI call analogy failed hilariously at the NOLA live show.
 
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