sailordeac
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where is socialism unpreverted?
Maybe, but I can't think of a single example. Besides all religions that I know of, except maybe Zen Buddhism, require the adherents the believe something with out evidence and sometimes in opposition to existing evidence. That creates massive problems in society. For example, People have little problem believeing things like 'guns actually make us safer' because religion teaches us to believe nonsensical things.
That's precisely what socialism does, and if you don't believe, then you are punished.
Yeah, mankind is flawed. Some would say sinful, even. But the fallenness of religious leaders isn’t reason to doubt the impact that religion can have in the lives of believers.
That’s a stretch. There’s a big difference between believing God can perform miracles and doubting the results of social statistics.
That’s a stretch. There’s a big difference between believing God can perform miracles and doubting the results of social statistics.
Socialism derangement syndrome?
Of course not. I guess I can see from my response how you would think that, but no. My point is that you should not judge Christianity by the flawed humans who purport to practice it.
where is socialism unpreverted?
Why not? How else would you judge the impact of something other than by looking at the actions of its proponents.
By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
With all due respect to CS Lewis, Christian orthodoxy doesn’t look kindly on the notion of free will, at least insofar as it provides that individuals can, through an act of the will, choose to put their faith in Jesus.
aside from the profound lack of originality with which you express your mistaken ideas, you also don't understand the practice of socialism very well
Why not? How else would you judge the impact of something other than by looking at the actions of its proponents.
There’s a chasm between “proponents” and “adherents.”
Yeah, well Christians collectively haven’t figured out free will/determinism any better or conclusively than have philosophers. Not to mention theodicy.
Christianity has a unique perspective on the question.
Socrates said to know the good is to do the good. Christianity recognizes that it’s not just the intellect that is fallen. It’s also the will. Or, more accurately, it’s the whole person. Not only does knowing not equal doing, the fact that we want to continue not doing means that we can’t know.
That’s not germane to the larger question of free will / determinism, but it does pertain to the question of how knowledge of God is acquired. Hint: it’s despite, not because of, free will.