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SCOTUS decisions

I don’t think the government should tell people they can’t use contraceptives, but I don’t think the U.S. Constitution speaks to the issue.

The same mantra was used by Segregationists - “Constitution doesn’t say anything about education” or “Leave it up to the legislature” or “State’s rights.”

I only point that out to say is that this argument you’re making has been going on long before Roe. And, long before Brown. The difference is the politicization of the appointments; not the Court or its decisions.
 
Depends on the "rights."

Do they have to be constitutional?

What’s “constitutional” mean? Seems like it’s defined as whatever at least 5 justices say it is.
 
Apparently it may be.

Pubs have sacrificed honor, integrity, decency, and (most if not) all that is otherwise good to achieve a majority on the SC.

So it’s obviously worth a lot.

Congratulations.
 
Apparently it may be.

Pubs have sacrificed honor, integrity, decency, and (most if not) all that is otherwise good to achieve a majority on the SC.

So it’s obviously worth a lot.

Congratulations.

This is an excellent example of an empty pointless partisan polemic.

You have allowed your thinking to degenerate to the level where you could actually be helped by advice from Danny Manning. So, here it is: you "need to do better."
 
Roe was a 7-2 decision that didn’t become controversial until years later.
 
Roe was a 7-2 decision that didn’t become controversial until years later.

When those on the right needed to add Catholic support to the “moral majority” to defend segregation.

The Southern Baptist Convention wasn’t even against abortion until the early 80s.
 
Right. Conservatives politicized the decision.
 
Yep. Roe has been cynically weaponized by the hypocritical right.

Now, that’s not to say there are not rational and legitimate arguments against using abortion as a means of birth control.

And that’s partly why it has been a very effective tool for Pubs to rise to power.
 
What’s “constitutional” mean? Seems like it’s defined as whatever at least 5 justices say it is.

Obviously, what the Constitution means is not as open ended as such a cynical view would indicate.

Apparently it may be.

Pubs have sacrificed honor, integrity, decency, and (most if not) all that is otherwise good to achieve a majority on the SC.

So it’s obviously worth a lot.

Congratulations.

This is an excellent example of an empty pointless partisan polemic.

You have allowed your thinking to degenerate to the level where you could actually be helped by advice from Danny Manning. So, here it is: you "need to do better."

Umm...no.


I mean, of course we all likely can do “better”.

As Junebug already acknowledged, practically, Ph is correct.

As is my admittedly partisan polemic.
 
This is correct, with the caveat that the Court has to be able to sell their view to the American people. The further they get from the text and history, the more capital it burns. There comes a tipping point when the capital is gone. I think we are close to being there.

Yep, maybe.
 
When those on the right needed to add Catholic support to the “moral majority” to defend segregation.

The Southern Baptist Convention wasn’t even against abortion until the early 80s.

By 1980, 19 states had petitioned Congress to call a Constitutional convention for the purpose of amending the Constitution to protect the right to life.

Interestingly enough, usual suspects like AL, UT, AR, and IN were joined by RI, MA, PA, and NJ.

http://article5library.org/analyze.php?topic=Right+to+life&res=1&gen=0&ylimit=0
 
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"In 1968, for instance, a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, refused to characterize abortion as sinful, citing “individual health, family welfare, and social responsibility” as justifications for ending a pregnancy. In 1971, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis, Missouri, passed a resolution encouraging “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.” The convention, hardly a redoubt of liberal values, reaffirmed that position in 1974, one year after Roe, and again in 1976.

When the Roe decision was handed down, W. A. Criswell, the Southern Baptist Convention’s former president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas—also one of the most famous fundamentalists of the 20th century—was pleased: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” he said, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”

This is fascinating.

Most social conservatism is just predicated on fake news.
 
Exactly. If you ask conservatives what they what they don’t like about liberals, most of it is based on lies. Obama isn’t a Muslim who hates America. Feminists don’t just want to kill men and babies. Taxing before spending is fiscally responsible.
 
...reasonable gun control isn’t takin’ all o’ ‘r guns.

...requiring everyone to participate in a healthcare system that is there to meet everyone’s needs as they arise is not (necessarily) “socialism”.

Etc.
 
It would behoove you to read up on the Catholic Church’s response to Roe. To say Roe wasn’t controversial until evangelicals got on board is, again, demonstrably false. The National Right to Life Committee was incorporated in 1973 in direct response to Roe. The NCCB proposed the Human Life Amendment to the constitution which would have banned abortion. The Hyde Amendment passed in 1976. Roe was controversial from the start.

Both sides of this argument here can be simultaneously true. Abortion was immediacy controversial among Catholics and some northern conservatives, a relatively small part of the electorate nationally, but was not an issue for evangelicals until the GOP decided to really ramp up the politics around Roe in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Also, Henry Hyde was a piece of shit.
 
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