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Danny Manning replacement search thread

SC DEAC said:
grant has only made the tourney in 3 of 11 years of coaching and he has coached at 3 places that are no strangers to making it to march madness.
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Counterpoint: He made the NIT in 5 of those other years.

So postseason play in 8 of 11 years.

He's not necessarily a home run, but I think he'd at the very least get us to not sucking.
 
SC DEAC said:
grant has only made the tourney in 3 of 11 years of coaching and he has coached at 3 places that are no strangers to making it to march madness.
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It's about to be 4 out of 12.

Also, not completely true about his coaching stops. Grant's first head job was VCU. He replaced Jeff Capel, who took VCU to one tourney in 4 years. VCU improved after Grant took over (two NCAAs in 3 years; left the program in great shape with his assistant, Shaka, who then took VCU to the Final 4). Grant replaced Mark Gottfried at Bama, who had some early success, but had not made the NCAA tournament any of his last 3 years there. When Gottfried left Bama, they were in bad shape (#100); Bama was not great under Grant, but better than that each of his 6 years in Bama (made the post-season 4 of his last 5 years at Bama). After Bama fired Grant, Avery Johnson took Bama to one tournament in 4 years. Dayton was strong under Archie Miller, but when Grant took over in 2018, all 5 starters either graduated or transferred. Nobody was taking that team to any post-season (#172). His 2019-20 team is all his recruits, and they are loaded in his 3rd year in Dayton.
 
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DeacsATS said:
Counterpoint: He made the NIT in 5 of those other years.

So postseason play in 8 of 11 years.

He's not necessarily a home run, but I think he'd at the very least get us to not sucking.
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When you are in a P6 conference, the NIT is a failed year if it's other than your first year there. The four years before Grant got to Dayton they made The Dance each year.

He was bad at Bama and he hasn't done that well at Dayton. Grant should be down the list.
 
RJKarl said:
When you are in a P6 conference, the NIT is a failed year if it's other than your first year there. The four years before Grant got to Dayton they made The Dance each year.

He was bad at Bama and he hasn't done that well at Dayton. Grant should be down the list.
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Is this true ?
 
RJKarl said:
When you are in a P6 conference, the NIT is a failed year if it's other than your first year there. The four years before Grant got to Dayton they made The Dance each year.

He was bad at Bama and he hasn't done that well at Dayton. Grant should be down the list.
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Pilch breaks it down better than I could, but that coach you are referring to at Dayton (Archie Miller) is now at Indiana. So yeah, he did pretty well there.

Bad at Bama is subjective. He certainly wasn't terrible. Not that this should be the comparison, but his 6 years there were WORLDS better than what Manning has done.

Like I said... High floor, but maybe a less high ceiling than other candidates.
 
If you are in a conference where close to half the teams make The Dance and you don't, getting to the NIT is not a successful or even a good season.

As to Dayton, Miller shows you can win there.

Grant has had plenty of time to prove he isn't mediocre and hasn't. We can't hire a proven to be mediocre coach.
 
Here are some mock talking points Currie can use to show his support for Manning.

I’m delighted with the overall trajectory of our basketball program and excited about the momentum on the court. Coach Manning has our student-athletes competing at the highest level. While we are judged ultimately by our record, improvements are evident in certain aspects of the program, and, we believe Coach Manning will continue to meet the standard of historical competitiveness that we expect from our program. We are grateful to Coach Manning for his leadership, particularly from a recruiting, academic and overall culture standpoint. At the same time, winning is important, and we know that with Coach Manning we can compete for championships at Wake Forest.

Coach Manning has built a complete program that attracts top talent, develops them as young men and sustains a winning mentality. His leadership, energy and commitment to excellence has galvanized our passionate fan base and established the winning culture necessary to compete in the Atlantic Coach Conference.
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MichDeac25 said:
Anthony Grant at Dayton doing incredible work this year. Third year as head coach. First season was 14-17, last year was 21-12, this year has 20+ point victories over Georgia and VA Tech, and then a 4 point OT loss to Kansas. Add him to the list.
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DeacsATS said:
Honestly, Anthony Grant is probably my top choice right now.

The Alabama years aren't a red flag for me. Seems like he's a high floor guy with perhaps a lower ceiling than some candidates with less of a record.
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I don't see Grant leaving his alma mater for Wake - we aren't going to back up the Brinks truck for him. He's a great fit for Dayton.
 
Dayton favored by 30 tonight over Houston Baptist.

It’s honestly debatable if Wake is a better job than Dayton right now.
 
DeacsATS said:
Dayton favored by 30 tonight over Houston Baptist.

It’s honestly debatable if Wake is a better job than Dayton right now.
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Good lord, no it's not. Don't confuse the current state of our team or the current identity of our coach with the status of the job or the potential of the program.
 
scooter84 said:
Good lord, no it's not. Don't confuse the current state of our team or the current identity of our coach with the status of the job or the potential of the program.
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Dude you are living in the 90s. Wake hoops is dead. If only our shittastic leadership had the cahones of Tepper to make a change when it is needed.
 
There are good coaches who want to coach in the ACC and get a huge contract now that we have a new AD.
 
I just said it is debatable, and it absolutely is. Go ahead and look at their results since around the time Skip died or Gaudio got fired... It’s night and day from what Wake has done.

I’m not saying it’s definitely a better job... I’m just saying you could make the argument.
 
DeacsATS said:
Dayton favored by 30 tonight over Houston Baptist.

It’s honestly debatable if Wake is a better job than Dayton right now.
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I hope you took Dayton.

Dayton is a better job than Wake. The ACC doesn’t have as big of an advantage and Wake has squandered the legacy of great players. An ACC team can’t just finish .500 in conference and get a top 8 seed anymore.
 
PhDeac said:
I hope you took Dayton.

Dayton is a better job than Wake. The ACC doesn’t have as big of an advantage and Wake has squandered the legacy of great players. An ACC team can’t just finish .500 in conference and get a top 8 seed anymore.
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No. I think Dayton's coach is the highest paid coach in their conference. Manning is one of the lowest paid coaches in the ACC and still makes significantly more. And we have sucked for a decade. Look at our facilities, the cachet and exposure of the ACC, the available resources, etc. Dayton is not a better job than Wake and it is not even really debatable. With a competent AD (which hopefully we have now) there is no question that we could attract a better and higher profile coaching candidate than Dayton. We could, and would, pay them more, provide better facilities and more resources, etc. etc...

It is easy to get caught up in how bad our teams have been for a while - don't let that blind you to the potential.
 
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