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Basham, Surratt, Hartman and Kern return

Demonwolverine said:
I don't really see any reason to be mad at Newman. Would he have given us a better chance next year? Most likely. But for all we know it was a coinflip between whether to lose Hartman to transfer or keep Newman. We'll likely never have all the facts, but I'm glad Claw put us in a position that seems like a win/win.
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I'm not saying you have to be mad at Jamie for being an entitled millennial, that's entirely up to you.
 
wfu22fan said:
He WAS a Deacon. He won’t be a lifetime Deacon except for his diploma. His coaches and most of the players won’t want him around. He quit on the Deacs. So stop cheering for this quitter.
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So I guess than that we should stop taking other school's grad transfers if we are going to be so pious as to dump on a player who led us to bowl games and graduated from Wake Forest?
 
BiffTannen said:
Jamie is not as good as Jake and he's not met a single WR at Georgia (or any of his other possible destinations) but I think he could be successful at Georgia. Jake was limited as a runner but was given a lot of responsibility in the offense. I've said before that I thought he didn't use the whole field as much as he could have, and I think Jamie might be better at that. If Jamie uses his feet to buy time and make good decisions he could be very effective. If he buys some time and goes long, he's going to have a bunch of interceptions. I'm not sure how much of the game plan would include some designed runs, which would definitely benefit the offense and take advantage of Jamie's ability. They din't run Jake and it never looked very good when they ran Justin Fields. Either way, the offense will change at Georgia this year if Jamie is running it.

Now, there is a lot of downside potential for Jamie if he goes to Georgia. Carson Beck is a 4-star freshman QB who is already on campus and will almost certainly be the starter in 2021. If Jamie stinks it up early in the year, or gets injured yet again, he could be on the bench for a long time. Jake took over the starting QB job when Eason got hurt, so it's not like Kirby won't play a freshman if he's ready. Georgia plays at Alabama in Week 3. If Jamie thinks playing someplace other than Wake Forest for his final season will help showcase his abilities to NFL scouts, that's where he will have to prove it.
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Well said!
 
Shorty said:
Now we're REALLY getting carried away.
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Was obviously the Russell Wilson comparison. I'd say, if you look at them at the time of their transfers, Jamie would have a better chance of being an All Pro than RW. Pretty much everyone expected RW to play baseball. And Jamie is 6'4" and RW is 5'11".

Hell, if Jamie makes it in the NFL at all and gives Wake respect, he'll be welcomed back with open arms.
 
TheReff said:
So I guess than that we should stop taking other school's grad transfers if we are going to be so pious as to dump on a player who led us to bowl games and graduated from Wake Forest?
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Credit where credit is due. Good post, Reff.

This board has so many hypocrites. "OMG Newman is a traitor!" and then on the recruiting thread, "I hope Clawson can recruit a traitor at CB!"
 
PhDeac said:
Credit where credit is due. Good post, Reff.

This board has so many hypocrites. "OMG Newman is a traitor!" and then on the recruiting thread, "I hope Clawson can recruit a traitor at CB!"
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which individual posters are posting those two viewpoints?
 
Previously posted that Jamie played his 4 years at WF and graduated; so, he has earned the right to move on. Still feel that way. Even so, it was a douche move. So, understand the vitriol.

With all that said, think about the three biggest high profile QB transfers during this past season: Joe Burrow from tOSU, Jalen Hurts from Bama, and Josh Fields from UGA. All top programs. If Newman goes to UGA or some other high profile school (IOW, not Maryland) AND WF also has a strong year, WF gets best its own publicity for having another good year, while also getting the never-ending mention (and highlights - expect to endlessly see the video of Newman bulldozing Surratt) of Newman's time at WF. In a weird way, if Newman plays well and his team stays on the national radar, it could have some benefit for WF.
 
I have no idea why people care so much that Newman graduated, as if that is a meaningful measuring stick in modern college athletics. What, if he didn't take Intro to Bowling in summer school THEN his transfer would warrant outrage?

You think there was one ounce of shits given to anything other than eligibility in that decision?
 
Dekin said:
Hypothetical question........if Jamie declared for the NFL, who would be drafted higher, Newman or Fromm?
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Fromm. That is why Newman is looking to grad transfer instead of declare for the draft.

Newman is graded as a day 2 or day 3 draft pick. That usually means practice squad. He's trying to work his way up to day 1, early day 2 and come in as the preferred QB2.

What Newman likely doesn't quite understand is that a lot of NFL GMs and scouting departments just don't trust a QB without 20+ college starts - 30 ideally. That is a lot of why he's a day 2 or 3 right now. But he believes some of it has to do with the RPO and he's not wrong on that. I believe he has retweeted the stat that nobody outside Burrows has thrown more tight window TDs or long receptions that Newman, so I am sure he thinks that translates into Pro-style success. He has every right to believe that because, well, nobody outside Burrows had a better year on making those throws. Happy for him and support almost everybody outside criminals who bet on themselves.
 
WFU1977 said:
As you walked across the stage at graduation did you whip out your Johnson and piss all over Hatch's shoes? Did you call up the department chair and tell him he sucks, his program sucks, and you want to go somewhere better to develop yourself?
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I was pretty scathing in my departmental review meeting upon completion of my degree, actually.
 
TheReff said:
So I guess than that we should stop taking other school's grad transfers if we are going to be so pious as to dump on a player who led us to bowl games and graduated from Wake Forest?
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It is the way he did it. He showed zero class and should have told Clawson of his plans before the bowl game. Selfish, dick move. I hope he took notes from Tavon so he can improve in the future.
 
WFU1977 said:
It is the way he did it. He showed zero class and should have told Clawson of his plans before the bowl game. Selfish, dick move. I hope he took notes from Tavon so he can improve in the future.
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I'm sure I have missed this because several people have referenced it, but where can I find the quote that Clawson didn't know about his plans before the bowl game?
 
jaybone said:
Fromm. That is why Newman is looking to grad transfer instead of declare for the draft.

Newman is graded as a day 2 or day 3 draft pick. That usually means practice squad. He's trying to work his way up to day 1, early day 2 and come in as the preferred QB2.

What Newman likely doesn't quite understand is that a lot of NFL GMs and scouting departments just don't trust a QB without 20+ college starts - 30 ideally. That is a lot of why he's a day 2 or 3 right now. But he believes some of it has to do with the RPO and he's not wrong on that. I believe he has retweeted the stat that nobody outside Burrows has thrown more tight window TDs or long receptions that Newman, so I am sure he thinks that translates into Pro-style success. He has every right to believe that because, well, nobody outside Burrows had a better year on making those throws. Happy for him and support almost everybody outside criminals who bet on themselves.
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Day 2 is 2nd and 3rd round. Its pretty hard to NOT make the opening roster if you are drafted in first 5 rounds...6 gets dicey, 7 means you have to impress. If Jamie gets drafted in round 5 or earlier he is almost guaranteed opening day roster. And Trubisky shat all over the 20 to 30 starts theory. certainly they would prefer more tape but it's not essential. FWIW I'd take Jamie over Fromm all day long.
 
If there was reliable information that NFL teams targeted Jamie Newman in the first 3 rounds of the 2020 draft, he would declare.

I get that athletes like to bet on themselves and Newman is making this move to enhance his draft status; he also has to know that he is one injury or one coaching decision from being yesterday's news and hoping for a UFA deal.
 
Dillon Fence said:
Day 2 is 2nd and 3rd round. Its pretty hard to NOT make the opening roster if you are drafted in first 5 rounds...6 gets dicey, 7 means you have to impress. If Jamie gets drafted in round 5 or earlier he is almost guaranteed opening day roster. And Trubisky shat all over the 20 to 30 starts theory. certainly they would prefer more tape but it's not essential. FWIW I'd take Jamie over Fromm all day long.
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Not for QBs I don't believe. If you are a Day 3 or possibly even late 3rd rd pick, you are most likely drafted to be QB3 which on most teams means practice squad.

It's not a theory. That's why I said a lot of GMs. - meaning obviously not all. I think it was Bill Parcells who just refused to draft a QB unless they had 20 starts. His number might even had been higher. My point is that I have heard a number of guys, Jon Gruden when he did that QB show he'd do, who talk about the philosophy of not drafting a QB without 20+ college starts, ideally 30. The theory being they should have been able to earn the job through talent in their redshirt sophomore year at the latest. I don't have a feeling one way or the other. 30 starts does imply durability.

I don't think people can really understand how far away Newman's dream of an NFL life was 15 months ago - he was 3 years into a college career without a meaningful game snap competing with a true freshman to be QB2. Then Hinton gets suspended and just as he begins competing for QB1, he goes down to injury and gets to watch Hartman almost waltz into national living rooms against Tulane. Newman was a long long long way from even a sniff at the NFL. In fact, I suspect he would have transferred without a Wake degree if Hartman stays healthy and Newman stays on the bench all last year.

In a lot of ways, he has Hartman to thank, not for going down, but I have heard Clawson talk about how some kids don't figure out what it takes to excel at their position in the ACC until year 2 or 3 or even 4 - it is different for every kid - Clawson has said it didn't click for Jamie until Hartman walked in ready to go January two years ago - it was only then that Newman started competing and preparing like a college QB.

Anyway, I expect him to go to Georgia now. It makes the most sense with Oregon w/out an OC. I think a lot of folks on here are wrong in that he does have a lot of support from the teammates he's "left behind." I am sure the thought of going to Miami causes him a lot of consternation.
 
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