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Coronavirus !!! Very Political Thread !!!

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Louis Gossett Jr said:
Yes, any number that moves the denominator significantly will lower the death rate. With lack of testing and asymptomatic individuals the true death rate is unknown and any projected death rate based off of the simple equation deaths divided by positive tests is worthless.
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Would it also mean the transmissibility is much higher than previously assumed? Which decreases the likelihood of really ever containing this, and increasing the chance of going the herd immunity approach in 2 months after most have already gotten it?
 
Do we know that herd immunity is even possible with COVID-19.
 
palmab03 said:
Would it also mean the transmissibility is much higher than previously assumed? Which decreases the likelihood of really ever containing this, and increasing the chance of going the herd immunity approach in 2 months after most have already gotten it?
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The herd immunity approach means millions of deaths in the USA.
 
PhDeac said:
Do we know that herd immunity is even possible with COVID-19.
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We don't know for sure the re-infectionability (made up word), but the best guess from reading Louis's subject on the matter of whether a vaccine would be effective would lead us to guess it could work.
 
PhDeac said:
Do we know that herd immunity is even possible with COVID-19.
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With the persistent anecdotal evidence that reinfections are possible/have occured, possibly not. Or at least not, completely.
 
palmab03 said:
We don't know for sure the re-infectionability (made up word), but the best guess from reading Louis's subject on the matter of whether a vaccine would be effective would lead us to guess it could work.
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This was in our daily update slide deck today.

Two rhesus macaques could not be reinfected with SARS-CoV-2 several weeks after recovering from COVID-19 (not published)

Jae Jung’s ferret model also shows immunity prevents reinfection
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So yeah, we dunno yet.
 
Based off everything we know about Coronaviruses, especially MERS and SARS-1, as well as the passive transfer of antibodies from recovered individuals for treatment and protection the ability to produce a vaccine should theoretically work. Produce antibodies that block cellular entry you have yourself a pretty efficient vaccine, also the fact that a large majority of the population is already able to fight off the virus indicates that the immune system can overcome the challenge by the virus. The caveat being that the vaccine field is littered with failed ideas and subsequently failed vaccines. There are diseases we have been trying to make vaccines for years and its one failure after another, there are vaccine that look promising and result in exacerbating infection. Its why Trump's we will move fast is complete shit, you know what would happen to the population if we put out a vaccine that has antibody disease enhancement, we would be fucked. ADE is when non neutralizing antibodies causes by a vaccine or infection actually aid in the ability of a virus to enter cells, its like giving the virus a massive helping hand.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...s-us-countries-italy-iran-singapore-hong-kong

This article is why Vox is pure unadulterated fake news.
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What’s wrong with the article? They use data from Johns Hopkins, quote an expert with the Kaiser Foundation, and add this caveat about the data from China:

As the Wall Street Journal has reported, Chinese health officials recently acknowledged they did not include 1,500 asymptomatic cases in their previous national tallies, but said that such cases would be counted starting on April 1. And based on reporting by the South China Morning Post, China may be undercounting asymptomatic cases to an even greater degree, with as many as 40,000 not included in their total. But remember, most countries’ numbers are probably low because people who have no or mild symptoms don’t get tested.
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Trump just started his coronavirus update by launching a massive anti-drug trafficking initiative. Guess he saw the numbers that people aren't actually supporting his leadership on the topic anymore, time to change the focus to the Mexicans and terrorists are invading! What a joke.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...s-us-countries-italy-iran-singapore-hong-kong

This article is why Vox is pure unadulterated fake news.
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It's not a coincidence that the day after the Trump admin acknowledges that we may have 100-240k American deaths, that the Trump admin and its cronies immediately begin contending that China faked its numbers (see Pence interview, intelligent report, likely incoming FoxNews blowhard takes, your take).

China may or may not have faked its numbers, but it was apparent this was an issue months ago and that China had locked down massive cities.
 
MichDeac25 said:
China may or may not have faked its numbers, but it was apparent this was an issue months ago and that China had locked down massive cities.
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No, they faked their numbers. There's no "maybe" about it. Just look at the number of crematory urns being reportedly shipped into Wuhan. Or the number of phone numbers removed from the Chinese phone networks.

And the fact that they've been lying about this virus at every opportunity since it got started.

Russia is fudging their numbers too, if that makes you feel better about it.
 
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DeaconBrews said:
No, they faked their numbers. There's no "maybe" about it. Just look at the number of crematory urns being reportedly shipped into Wuhan. Or the number of phone numbers removed from the Chinese phone networks.

And the fact that they've been lying about this virus at every opportunity since it got started.
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I think it started in craft beer.
 
DeaconBrews said:
No, they faked their numbers. There's no "maybe" about it. Just look at the number of crematory urns being reportedly shipped into Wuhan. Or the number of phone numbers removed from the Chinese phone networks.

And the fact that they've been lying about this virus at every opportunity since it got started.

Russia is fudging their numbers too, if that makes you feel better about it.
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And now my conservative TV reporter friend who works for the local Sinclair station posted a FB poll of whether China faked their numbers. This is pretty rich. Where was this outrage until the United States surpassed them. Regardless of the numbers, it was well known that China was taking drastic measures to curtail the virus for months. The United States did nothing during that time.
 
Yeah everyone knew China was fudging the numbers for months. Trump and the the right wing are trying to use Chinese malfeasance to cover up their own.
 
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