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Wake Football Week 1 - Clemson discussion

CONeill said:
I'll add that: While reading some of these comments here and in the Facebook groups (before comments were turned off, which shouldn't happen, but I digress) were alarming and disconcerting ...

Wednesday's story got linked up on a Clemson site (Tigernet.com, I believe) and holy shit do they have some racist asshats in their fan base.
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Water is wet and the sun is hot too.
 
Need WindyCityDeac's opinion, but I think the fist decal would have looked better centered on the back of the helmet next to the ACC decal. Wouldn't have been as prominent there though, so I assume that's why they put it on the side. Awesome helmet either way.

Deacs keep it close-ish through midway through the 3rd quarter. Clemson pulls away late to win 42-13. Moral victory cover!
 
Chiefs fans booed their own Super Bowl winning team as they lined up with Houston to support Black Lives Matter before tip off last night. The country I want to live in is not the one I am currently living in.
 
CONeill said:
I'll add that: While reading some of these comments here and in the Facebook groups (before comments were turned off, which shouldn't happen, but I digress) were alarming and disconcerting ...

Wednesday's story got linked up on a Clemson site (Tigernet.com, I believe) and holy shit do they have some racist asshats in their fan base.
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“In” their fan base, how about IS their fan base. The overlap between clemsons fan base and Trump’s fan base Is at least 85% Dabo is an excellent dude, and has been able to white wash the redneck with a lot of prosperity doctrine like positivity.
 
Clemson is racist... it is known

BBD is a horrible poster... it is known

Y’all think we have any shot on keeping this thing close on Saturday? Our Dline matches well against their Oline. Can we keep pressure on Lawrence stop the run and make this thing a game? I don’t think so...
 
I support the idea but don’t like how the helmet looks. I’d prefer a single fist on the back.

It looks too cluttered this way.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Y’all think we have any shot on keeping this thing close on Saturday? Our Dline matches well against their Oline. Can we keep pressure on Lawrence stop the run and make this thing a game? I don’t think so...
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Even if we could stop Ettiene (we can't) and get meaningful pressure on Lawrence (possible), they would just resort to their bs WR screens and eventually get enough no calls on pick plays/holdings to break a few with what is sure to be a new crop of stud WR's.
 
Demonwolverine said:
Even if we could stop Ettiene (we can't) and get meaningful pressure on Lawrence (possible), they would just resort to their bs WR screens and eventually get enough no calls on pick plays/holdings to break a few with what is sure to be a new crop of stud WR's.
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:tear:
 
DeaconCav06 said:
I support the idea but don’t like how the helmet looks. I’d prefer a single fist on the back.

It looks too cluttered this way.
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I can see that. Either no fist or put the fist on the back. The white outline next to the Gold letters look a little harsh.

Still fresh tho.
 
Last year, a Clemson team without the same level of personnel losses as the current Clemson team started the year as follows:

52-14 over GT (GT was the worst team in the ACC, and this was the first game under a new coach who fundamentally changed their schemes)
24-10 over Texas A&M (8-5 team)
41-6 over Cuse (2nd worst team in the ACC)
21-20 over UNC (7-6 team)

Average score 34.5-12.5. Think the outcome will be somewhat in that range -- 38-13 or so. This is a better WF team than most realize.
 
I actually think we’re a little bit worse than we were last year. I think Clemson absolutely tears us apart as they’ve tended to do.
 
awakegirl said:
Some of you make me feel sick that I’m a Wake alum. You actually have an issue with our players promoting racial equity? The amount of posts that sound something like- hey, I’m happy to watch a bunch of black students sacrifice their bodies for my school, but I don’t want to hear them talk about their own civil rights, is the epitome of privilege. They have to demonstrably say “black lives matter,” because they’re on a campus that often makes them feel like they don’t day in and day out. Do you know how many black alums have shared that article with pride this week? So many of our black student athletes experienced race related trauma on campus. These students are a voice for them now- on a national stage. That is important. They are doing something that really means a lot to so many people- alums who never had that opportunity, members of the WS community who don’t seem themselves reflected in the Wake student body, and future students. I’m sure I’ll get plenty of hate for this, but if you’re okay with watching young black men sacrifice their bodies and sometimes their brains on the football field, but you’re not okay with them saying their own lives matter, you are a raging racist. Plain and simple.
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"Are you not entertained?" - Maximus in Gladiator

I want to be entertained. That's what sports is-- entertainment. If my favorite bands decided to all go overtly political with every show and every song, I would not be entertained and they would cease to become my favorite bands. I wouldn't care what the cause was, unless maybe it was beer and titties. But the last thing I want when watching sports is to be lectured by a bunch of nincompoops about "issues". With rare exception, their prowess is in athletics, not deep thinking. It's bad enough listening to people like you or me talk about it in here. But if the NFL wants to do its about-face from Kaep and get on board, as well as the NBA and MLB, fine. I won't watch because I'm no longer entertained (and who the fuck wants to see the Lakers win another title anyway?). I'm not alone in that sentiment. It will be admittedly tougher for me to follow through on my college sports, but I can limit my game watching at least. If DM were still coach, it would be easy for hoops. It's like Howard Stern used to say-- if you don't want to listen to me, then turn the dial.

I would argue that now (due to the pandemic and people going nuts in their homes), certainly more than when Kaep was doing his thing, is a time to use sports to bring people together and not further use it as a wedge. But if you want to bring attention to certain issues, athletes who get paid zillions of dollars certainly have the resources to do so. Some have put their money where their mouth is, and kudos to them.

There are plenty of people out there who are down with people expressing their opinions and who don't think the game is the proper forum for doing so. And yeah, there are also raging racists and people (who are not racist) being needlessly adversarial by stating the obvious "all lives matter." Of course all lives matter, and of course black lives matter. Those aren't opposing concepts. If you're just barking out all lives matter as a reflex, you aren't being helpful.

They care about those times that they or their family were hassled by cops. They care about their friend serving 5-10 for dealing weed. They're pissed about being eyeballed every time they walk into a Kwik E Mart. All legit, personal issues which come out as, "Our lives matter."

But do you also think it's racist to take pause at some of BLM's earlier anti-Semitic positions which have miraculously been scrubbed from websites? To take issue with some ridiculous anti-police positions? To not forget, although it is perhaps unfair to the larger movement, that BLM advocate who murdered all those cops in Dallas? Is it not possible to say that yes, black lives matter, but to not support BLM as a political organization? To take issue with the free advertising that BLM gets from all this, which in turn benefits a certain political party?

The issue of race is far, far, far more complicated in this country (and others) than any political party or football team is going to go. Neither, you nor I nor BLM has anything close to a solution. Race transcends into areas of culture and class, and stepping into those areas is just as touchy and controversial as limiting the debate to race. Too much soul searching on all sides of the issue is needed, and probably not many real solutions to be had other than the passage of time, which doesn't fit in really well as a viable option in these times of memes, short attention spans, and an increasingly dumbed down society.
 
Pilchard said:
Last year, a Clemson team without the same level of personnel losses as the current Clemson team started the year as follows:

52-14 over GT (GT was the worst team in the ACC, and this was the first game under a new coach who fundamentally changed their schemes)
24-10 over Texas A&M (8-5 team)
41-6 over Cuse (2nd worst team in the ACC)
21-20 over UNC (7-6 team)

Average score 34.5-12.5. Think the outcome will be somewhat in that range -- 38-13 or so. This is a better WF team than most realize.
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Hope you are right, but I don't see it.
 
There's a very good chance some of ELC's favorite bands are already political. Reminds me of the incels who are just figuring out they're part of the machine their favorite band was raging against. And being apolitical is a stance in itself.

American Sports have never been free of politics. Sports were racially segregated and still are to some extent. We play the national anthem and sometimes pray before sporting events. Football games regularly feature military tributes. Sports are political events.
 
ELC-Give me beer and titties and leave out the social discourse.

Sounds like a fun hang.
 
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