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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

Louis Gossett Jr said:
I don’t know how any centrist can sit here and say what happened is a great result. We have tried the centrist candidate twice now and one lost and the other is going to barely win. Maybe what we think won’t and will work is completely wrong, most people said Trump had no shot in this election and look at how that went. So maybe try a strong progressive and let it fly.
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welcome to the resistance
 
TownieDeac said:
I know lots of people who safely door knocked though. Like, put in hundreds of hours without getting COVID. Not only not door-knocking, not phone banking! The Dems intentionally said we don't need the Latin vote in 2020. The largest minority group in America.
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“The Latin vote” is not a monolith. Cubans + Mexicans + Central Americans + Puerto Ricans + South Americans = a really complicated mix of cultures and preferences. If nothing else Dems need to start realizing that there isn’t a “Latin vote” and start thinking about the different groups with in that classification.
 
NYT: "Trump campaign officials tell reporters that "if all legally cast ballots, we believe the president will win." They continue to describe Fox News, AP calls of Arizona for Biden as "just plain wrong.""
 
DeaconSig said:
Umm, wasn't pretty much all of it due to the pandemic? Its not like dems said "we don't need to go door-to-door." There was a calculated decision that it was safer and better not to go door-to-door due to COVID, and instead rely on phone banking and other means of contact. That appears to have been the wrong choice, but I have a hard time complaining about people who decided that the safety of campaign volunteers and the voting public was important.
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Maybe, but it certainly seems to have cost them in the election, no? And Hillary's campaign pretty much did the same in 2016 as well. It just seems that Democrats are relying more and more on ads than in-person interactions than the Republicans are, and it's costing them. With the pandemic maybe it was the right and smart thing to do, but it doesn't seem to have helped them in the election, and it definitely won't help them going forward. And as Townie mentioned, the GOP successfully targeted Hispanic voters in certain states, while I've read that there were warnings from Miami-Dade Dems to the Biden camp weeks ago about his weakness among Hispanics there, and the Biden campaign evidently did next to nothing. Of course much of what the Trump campaign was saying to Hispanics about Biden were lies (he's no socialist) but if Biden doesn't respond or interact with Hispanics in FL and TX that becomes the narrative.
 
So, how is Fox handling Trump's speech from last night?
 
birdman said:
“The Latin vote” is not a monolith. Cubans + Mexicans + Central Americans + Puerto Ricans + South Americans = a really complicated mix of cultures and preferences. If nothing else Dems need to start realizing that there isn’t a “Latin vote” and start thinking about the different groups with in that classification.
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+1.
 
I also think that MDMH is right. All of the platforms are very popular when decoupled from the democrat machine. I don’t know how you run in a two party system as a democrat with those platforms decoupled though.
 
What is being underestimated is the amount of “Christians” who can live with kids being held in cages in exchange for a 2% lower tax rate.
 
It really is breathtaking (in a bad way) to think about how close this race is given what an absolute inflammatory dumpster fire clusterfuck of an administration we’ve seen over the last 4 years. COVID response alone should have resulted in a landslide.
 
WRS said:
It really is breathtaking (in a bad way) to think about how close this race is given what an absolute inflammatory dumpster fire clusterfuck of an administration we’ve seen over the last 4 years. COVID response alone should have resulted in a landslide.
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We are unfixable as a country. We are not a failed state in the traditional sense but definitely we have failed as a state according to the ideals which were purportedly the reason for this nation's founding.
 
birdman said:
This is what is so fucking perplexing.
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Rubes don't care about anyone but themselves. Granny can die from COVID so long as they can still go get fried mayonnaise balls down at the local diner.
 
WRS said:
It really is breathtaking (in a bad way) to think about how close this race is given what an absolute inflammatory dumpster fire clusterfuck of an administration we’ve seen over the last 4 years. COVID response alone should have resulted in a landslide.
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The closest analogy might be Hoover somehow winning a second term in 1932 or LBJ winning in 68. It is mind-boggling, no matter how it is explained.
 
Democrats ran progressive candidates for senate "that stood for something" in both TN and WV. they both got smoked and underperformed Biden.

So where is the evidence that a progressive message is going to resonate?
 
at what point do we start considering that there is some trump cheating and/or voter fraud happening?
 
TownieDeac said:
Dems straight up didn't do the fucking work again in 2020. They didn't knock doors. They didn't hold events. They decided their middle of the road advertising to white Dems would play the same in FL and TX that it did in VA, where they ran the same advertisements. Once again, there were parts of the party screaming at the campaign to do more Latino outreach and the party decided they didn't want to. I can predict the next several weeks too, we will hear this comes down to internet disinformation affecting Latinos, who turned out in great numbers but were DUPED.

It's wild to me that only the Trump 2016 and Trump 2020 campaigns have effectively leveraged microtargeting. Imagine that, different messages to different communities.
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I think there's a case that Republicans going with in-person events during a pandemic worked for them and Dems were hurt by doing everything virtually.

Dems have horrible Latino outreach. No question there. I think you can make a strong argument for more progressive candidates because progressive issues do well. Again, Florida approved Amendment 2 to increase the minimum wage with a 6,371,082 votes (60.8%). Biden only got 5,282,894. Based on quick and dirty math, about 20% of Trump voters supported $15 minimum wage. In 2018, the only Dem to win statewide won Ag Commission by running hard on pro-legalization.
 
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