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Obama leads Romeny-destroys rest of GOP field.

DeacWatcher said:
Can anyone even fathom an Obama vs Cain match up?
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I think here is how it would look....

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94Deac said:
I've already overheard one conversation (between two right-wingers who get their worldly knowledge from talk radio) that they would now expect (assuming a Cain/Obama campaign) that all "those blacks who voted for Obama because he is black" would now have to vote for Cain since Cain "is all black, not half like Obama."

Took place in the CNN Center Omni Hotel lobby on Tuesday of this week. You just have to shake your head.
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I actually work with smart people that I'm sure think the same way. One of them was quoting Rush the other day about the tanning salon tax.
 
Wrangor said:
You think any of those tea party voters voted for Obama? Or will vote for Obama? I would say that 30% Democrat and 29% combined Republican and Tea Party is a pretty even split. Neither are voting for the opposing party, so the 40% in the middle is what is determining the results.

That being said, Romney has a realistic shot because he is electable. Cain and Perry are the only other candidates with a chance to win the primary, and neither are electable. Obama would absolutely murder Cain or Perry in a national election. Romney would be a tight race, with the current status of the economy and Obama's political machine ($$$$$) being the two polar factors.

Anyone that thinks Cain could win a national election against Obama is :tard:
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Tea partiers are a mix of disaffected Pubs, disaffected Dems, and a lot of folks who long since gave up on both parties and often don't care to vote. Lumping them in as Pubs is a mistake.

It's bad news for the President that this is the most optimistic bit of news his administration has seen in months. Pub turnout is going to be sky high in this election, Dem turnout not so much. If the economy doesn't turn-- and there is no indication that it will-- Obama is likely to be a one-termer.
 
ELC, seriously. You guys have got to stop claiming that the tea party includes Democrats and/or minorities. Are there some in the tea party? Absolutely. Is the tea party primarily pissed off conservative, white, suburbanites. Primarily, yes.
 
94Deac said:
ELC, seriously. You guys have got to stop claiming that the tea party includes Democrats and/or minorities. Are there some in the tea party? Absolutely. Is the tea party primarily pissed off conservative, white, suburbanites. Primarily, yes.
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Primarily, sure. But not something like 100% or even 90%. Probably more like the 60-80% range if you take out independents, Dems, and apathetic voters.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
Primarily, sure. But not something like 100% or even 90%. Probably more like the 60-80% range if you take out independents, Dems, and apathetic voters.
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There is an accurate view of the Tea Party. 65% have not graduated from college, 90% white, Heavily conservative (only 2% would claim to be liberal), no Democratic Party representation (Republican/Independent are IDENTICAL to the Republican Party as a whole).

Stop trying to pawn the Tea Party as anything other than an extreme wing of the Republican Party. They are similar to Occupy Wall Street except they are better organized, have better funding, and have a News Station willing to promote them (FOXNews).

This is from the Pew Research Center which is non-partisan and generally well respected source of data.
 
94Deac said:
ELC, seriously. You guys have got to stop claiming that the tea party includes Democrats and/or minorities. Are there some in the tea party? Absolutely. Is the tea party primarily pissed off conservative, white, suburbanites. Primarily, yes.
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The Tea Party is strictly an anti-Obama movement.
 
PhDeac said:
The Tea Party is strictly an anti-Obama movement.
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Then why are so many of them working on local issues? Shit, the Georgia tea party factions are feverishly fighting against the massive SPLOST that was just approved to go on the ballot next year. These people are working on all levels.

No, the tea party is much more than just anti-Obama.
 
This thread got started on a Time fucking magazine poll of 20 likely democratic voters? Mmmmm. Mmmmm. Mmmmm.

The tea party is like the French underground before D-day... they are going to rock your little world.
 
Wrangor said:
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There is an accurate view of the Tea Party. 65% have not graduated from college, 90% white, Heavily conservative (only 2% would claim to be liberal), no Democratic Party representation (Republican/Independent are IDENTICAL to the Republican Party as a whole).

Stop trying to pawn the Tea Party as anything other than an extreme wing of the Republican Party. They are similar to Occupy Wall Street except they are better organized, have better funding, and have a News Station willing to promote them (FOXNews).

This is from the Pew Research Center which is non-partisan and generally well respected source of data.
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Not sure what to make of those numbers because I'm not sure what the categories are supposed to mean. And the title of "Tea Party Republicans"? Does that mean republicans that identify with the tea party?

Gallup's numbers are a bit different. Granted, this is from 2010 before the Pubs made a full-on effort to co-opt the movement...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx
 
EatLeadCommie said:
Not sure what to make of those numbers because I'm not sure what the categories are supposed to mean. And the title of "Tea Party Republicans"? Does that mean republicans that identify with the tea party?

Gallup's numbers are a bit different. Granted, this is from 2010 before the Pubs made a full-on effort to co-opt the movement...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx
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Seriously? They asked Tea Party members if they affiliated with the Republican Party, were independent, or with the Democratic Party? 97% said they were Republican or independent. Claiming any sort of Democratic presence in the Tea Party is dishonest. These are stats comparing the Tea Party with the Republican Party as a whole, and the Republican Party portion that is non-Tea Party.

I will give you a non-partisan Tea Party the first time I see a serious challenge from a Tea PArty member in a Democratic Primary. Since they keep running in Republican Primaries, it is safe to say they see themselves as Republicans.
 
Maybe a better way to analyze that data above is by a word comparison to the Republican Party.

The Tea Party is:

Older
Has a higher percentage of males
Whiter
More Educated
More Wealthy
More Protestant
More Conservative
Has more registered voters

Than the rest of the Republican Party

I am actually surprised that it is more educated and more wealthy than the average Republican, but I am not surprised that it is more conservative, whiter, and older.
 
Wrangor said:
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There is an accurate view of the Tea Party. 65% have not graduated from college, 90% white, Heavily conservative (only 2% would claim to be liberal), no Democratic Party representation (Republican/Independent are IDENTICAL to the Republican Party as a whole).

Stop trying to pawn the Tea Party as anything other than an extreme wing of the Republican Party. They are similar to Occupy Wall Street except they are better organized, have better funding, and have a News Station willing to promote them (FOXNews).

This is from the Pew Research Center which is non-partisan and generally well respected source of data.
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That chart also shows very well that Paul's support is not congruent to the Tea Party makeup. There may be a little bit of overlap, but Paul has much less support among older people and a lot more among younger people. There are more independents/liberals as well, which unfortunately doesn't lend itself to a primary process very well.
 
If the Tea Party was truly just anti-Obama they would push to nominate Hillary to run against Obama.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
Wrangor wrote:

There is an accurate view of the Tea Party. 65% have not graduated from college, 90% white, Heavily conservative (only 2% would claim to be liberal), no Democratic Party representation (Republican/Independent are IDENTICAL to the Republican Party as a whole).

Stop trying to pawn the Tea Party as anything other than an extreme wing of the Republican Party. They are similar to Occupy Wall Street except they are better organized, have better funding, and have a News Station willing to promote them (FOXNews).

This is from the Pew Research Center which is non-partisan and generally well respected source of data.

That chart also shows very well that Paul's support is not congruent to the Tea Party makeup. There may be a little bit of overlap, but Paul has much less support among older people and a lot more among younger people. There are more independents/liberals as well, which unfortunately doesn't lend itself to a primary process very well.
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I agree that Paul is not Tea Party. He is his own man for better or for worse.
 
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