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2021-22 Wake Forest Basketball Season - 25-9 (13-7), KP#33

We are guaranteed to finish over .500 for the season and January isn’t over yet. Nice change from the lost deacade
 
Forbes could match [Redacted]'s season high wins tomorrow night. He could match Manning's season high wins on Feb 2. With 30 wins, he could match the best two year stretch over the lost decade.
 
PhDeac said:
Speaking of 30 wins, this team is 16-4 with 11 more conference games left. 30 wins is actually within reach with a little leeway. 10 wins/ACC Finals/Sweet 16 would do it.
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I'll take #17 first.
 
macktheknife said:
Top of two lists that count.

https://theacc.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2021&conf=true
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I'm in complete agreement that winning the next game is the most important win. However just like with football season we're all really enjoying the ride and letting ourselves dream a bit.

Since I know many of you get a little sensitive when it comes to predicting wins and losses (i.e. pouty when I say it's likely we'll lose a game we're favored to lose) I'll do something different this time - simply state our remaining schedule and whether we'll likely be favored or an underdog. Assuming we win 5 of the 6 games where we'll be favored, 1 of 3 of the games where we're an underdog, and win 1 of 2 in the games where I'm not really sure about the spread (road ACC agames against mediocre teams with talent in there somewhere) then we'd be at 23-8 heading into the ACC Tournament. That would be absolutely fantastic. And with Steve Forbes at the help it really does look like we've put the pathetic days of very few ACC road wins behind us... so hopefully that will mean we'll put our absolutely pathetic track record of ACC Tourmament performances in the last decade behind us as well.

WE WILL BE FAVORED vs Boston College JAN 24 (MON) 6 P.M.
NOT SURE??? @ Syracuse University JAN 29 (SAT) 8 P.M
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Pittsburgh FEB 2 (WED) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @ Florida State University FEB 5 (SAT) 12 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @North Carolina State University FEB 9 (WED) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Miami FEB 12 (SAT) 3 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @ Duke University FEB 15 (TUE) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Notre Dame FEB 19 (SAT) 1 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED @ Clemson University FEB 23 (WED) 8 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Louisville FEB 26 (SAT) 7 P.M.
NOT SURE?? vs North Carolina State University MAR 2 (WED) 9 P.M.

ACC Tournament in Brooklyn NY Mar 8 - Mar 12 LETS MAKE A RUN BABY!!!
 
Brendan207 said:
I'm in complete agreement that winning the next game is the most important win. However just like with football season we're all really enjoying the ride and letting ourselves dream a bit.

Since I know many of you get a little sensitive when it comes to predicting wins and losses (i.e. pouty when I say it's likely we'll lose a game we're favored to lose) I'll do something different this time - simply state our remaining schedule and whether we'll likely be favored or an underdog. Assuming we win 5 of the 6 games where we'll be favored, 1 of 3 of the games where we're an underdog, and win 1 of 2 in the games where I'm not really sure about the spread (road ACC agames against mediocre teams with talent in there somewhere) then we'd be at 23-8 heading into the ACC Tournament. That would be absolutely fantastic. And with Steve Forbes at the help it really does look like we've put the pathetic days of very few ACC road wins behind us... so hopefully that will mean we'll put our absolutely pathetic track record of ACC Tourmament performances in the last decade behind us as well.

WE WILL BE FAVORED vs Boston College JAN 24 (MON) 6 P.M.
NOT SURE??? @ Syracuse University JAN 29 (SAT) 8 P.M
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Pittsburgh FEB 2 (WED) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @ Florida State University FEB 5 (SAT) 12 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @North Carolina State University FEB 9 (WED) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Miami FEB 12 (SAT) 3 P.M.
WE WILL BE UNDERDOG @ Duke University FEB 15 (TUE) 7 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Notre Dame FEB 19 (SAT) 1 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED @ Clemson University FEB 23 (WED) 8 P.M.
WE WILL BE FAVORED vs University of Louisville FEB 26 (SAT) 7 P.M.
NOT SURE?? vs North Carolina State University MAR 2 (WED) 9 P.M.

ACC Tournament in Brooklyn NY Mar 8 - Mar 12 LETS MAKE A RUN BABY!!!
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According to KP (his predictions usually fall in line with Vegas spreads), we'll be a 3 point favorite at NCST and a 9 point favorite against them at the Joel.
 
WakeFanatic said:
According to KP (his predictions usually fall in line with Vegas spreads), we'll be a 3 point favorite at NCST and a 9 point favorite against them at the Joel.
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Nice. I checked out his page but couldn't find the spreads.

On a separate diatribe I can't wait for Forbes to turn around our horrible ACC Tournament trend. I love that he's doing it with ACC road performances and I have confidence he's going to fix our tourney woes. We're a pathetic 3-15 in our last 18 ACC Tournament games. That figure jumps to 5-16 when you include 2006, the last time we had a respectable performance at the ACC Tournament. A the 12 seed we won 2 games and lost to the 1 seed Duke in the semifinals. That was the last time I can remember having fun at an ACC Tourney. That same year #7 seed BC (who is my second favorite ACC team after the Deacs) made a run to the final and only lost by 2 points to Duke. 2006 was a pretty solid year, Wake won the ACC Football Championship too.

Full ACC Tourney results for the last 15 years for those who needed to vomit this morning.

Tue, Mar 9, 2021 Lost to Notre Dame ACC L 77 80
Tue, Mar 10, 2020 Lost to Pittsburgh ACC L 72 81
Tue, Mar 12, 2019 Lost to Miami (FL) ACC L 71 79
Tue, Mar 6, 2018 Lost to Syracuse ACC L 64 73
Wed, Mar 8, 2017 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 90 99
Tue, Mar 7, 2017 BEAT Boston College ACC W 92 78
Tue, Mar 8, 2016 Lost to NC State ACC L 72 75
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 80 81
Thu, Mar 13, 2014 Lost to Pittsburgh ACC L 55 84
Wed, Mar 12, 2014 BEAT Notre Dame ACC W 81 69
Thu, Mar 14, 2013 Lost to Maryland ACC L 62 75
Thu, Mar 8, 2012 Lost to Maryland ACC L 60 82
Thu, Mar 10, 2011 Lost to Boston CollegeACC L 67 81
Thu, Mar 11, 2010 Lost to Miami (FL) ACC L 62 83
Fri, Mar 13, 2009 Lost to Maryland ACC L 64 75
Thu, Mar 13, 2008 Lost to Florida St ACC L 60 70
Fri, Mar 9, 2007 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 52 71
Thu, Mar 8, 2007 BEAT Georgia Tech ACC W 114 112 2OT

2006 ACC Tourney
Thu, Mar 9, 2006 Florida State ACC W 78 66
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 NC State(25) ACC W 82 71
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 Duke (3) ACC L 66 78
 
The best thing about this team is that they seem to be getting better, or at least not worse as the season progresses. I doubt anyone has an delusions of grandeur with this team, especially after the last 10 or 12 years, but it's nice to see a team actually get better as the season goes on.
I started at Wake in '01, (Prosser's first year) and for all intents and purposes Wake has underperformed the second half of just about every season. Anytime we were good it's because we were awesome early (especially during Gaudio years) and then teams figured out what we didn't do well, exploited it and we could rarely properly adjust.
I'll never forget one of the Gaudio years when we were a top 10 team in the first half of the year and faded into tournament time, but were still upper third of the ACC, we played a bad Maryland team in the ACC tournament (I guess it was the 2009 loss referenced above). We shot 3-26 from 3 because Maryland realized that we couldn't shoot and never defended beyond the arc....they were giving us completely uncontested 23ft shots and we just couldn't hit it and we couldn't get the ball inside because they packed their defense down so much.
 
Brendan207 said:
Nice. I checked out his page but couldn't find the spreads.

On a separate diatribe I can't wait for Forbes to turn around our horrible ACC Tournament trend. I love that he's doing it with ACC road performances and I have confidence he's going to fix our tourney woes. We're a pathetic 3-15 in our last 18 ACC Tournament games. That figure jumps to 5-16 when you include 2006, the last time we had a respectable performance at the ACC Tournament. A the 12 seed we won 2 games and lost to the 1 seed Duke in the semifinals. That was the last time I can remember having fun at an ACC Tourney. That same year #7 seed BC (who is my second favorite ACC team after the Deacs) made a run to the final and only lost by 2 points to Duke. 2006 was a pretty solid year, Wake won the ACC Football Championship too.

Full ACC Tourney results for the last 15 years for those who needed to vomit this morning.

Tue, Mar 9, 2021 Lost to Notre Dame ACC L 77 80
Tue, Mar 10, 2020 Lost to Pittsburgh ACC L 72 81
Tue, Mar 12, 2019 Lost to Miami (FL) ACC L 71 79
Tue, Mar 6, 2018 Lost to Syracuse ACC L 64 73
Wed, Mar 8, 2017 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 90 99
Tue, Mar 7, 2017 BEAT Boston College ACC W 92 78
Tue, Mar 8, 2016 Lost to NC State ACC L 72 75
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 80 81
Thu, Mar 13, 2014 Lost to Pittsburgh ACC L 55 84
Wed, Mar 12, 2014 BEAT Notre Dame ACC W 81 69
Thu, Mar 14, 2013 Lost to Maryland ACC L 62 75
Thu, Mar 8, 2012 Lost to Maryland ACC L 60 82
Thu, Mar 10, 2011 Lost to Boston CollegeACC L 67 81
Thu, Mar 11, 2010 Lost to Miami (FL) ACC L 62 83
Fri, Mar 13, 2009 Lost to Maryland ACC L 64 75
Thu, Mar 13, 2008 Lost to Florida St ACC L 60 70
Fri, Mar 9, 2007 Lost to Virginia Tech ACC L 52 71
Thu, Mar 8, 2007 BEAT Georgia Tech ACC W 114 112 2OT

2006 ACC Tourney
Thu, Mar 9, 2006 Florida State ACC W 78 66
Fri, Mar 10, 2006 NC State(25) ACC W 82 71
Sat, Mar 11, 2006 Duke (3) ACC L 66 78
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Harvey Hale.

We were down significantly in regulation, or at least it felt like we were at the time. I told my friends I was with that if we came back and win I would streak in a public area of their choice. At the time I was 19 and had a fake ID, so drinking at a bar and watching the game. Well, yeah, so I ended up streaking, almost got arrested, ducked into some woods and got away on foot from LEO. Was it worth it? Oh Hale yeah!
 
New AP Top 25 dropped ...

Others receiving votes: BYU 120, Alabama 77, Texas 61, Colorado State 57, Florida State 50, Loyola Chicago 21, Oregon 19, Wake Forest 12, Murray State 10, Indiana 10, Iowa 8, TCU 6, Miami 4, Saint Mary's 3, Boise State 3, Florida 3, Wyoming 2, Seton Hall 1, Iona 1
 
Congratulations to Ethan Joyce for doing the bare minimum and ranking us 25th.
 
Brendan207 said:
Nice. I checked out his page but couldn't find the spreads.

On a separate diatribe I can't wait for Forbes to turn around our horrible ACC Tournament trend. I love that he's doing it with ACC road performances and I have confidence he's going to fix our tourney woes. We're a pathetic 3-15 in our last 18 ACC Tournament games. That figure jumps to 5-16 when you include 2006, the last time we had a respectable performance at the ACC Tournament. A the 12 seed we won 2 games and lost to the 1 seed Duke in the semifinals. That was the last time I can remember having fun at an ACC Tourney. That same year #7 seed BC (who is my second favorite ACC team after the Deacs) made a run to the final and only lost by 2 points to Duke. 2006 was a pretty solid year, Wake won the ACC Football Championship too.

FYI, BC was the #3 seed in the tournament that year (ranked #7 in the country coming into the event, not the 7th seed)
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That 2006 BC team was sneaky good. They had Jared Dudley, who played in the NBA forever, Craig Smith who had 6 year in NBA career, and Tyrese Rice who was an very high level college player, Rice scored 46 in a game against UNC, including 30 in the first half. Al Skinner was very good at finding under the radar talent for BC. The Eagles went to 7 NCAA tourneys in the 10 seasons before BC fired Skinner. Since the Skinner firing, BC has been to ZERO NCAA tourneys over the last 11 seasons.
 
Les tweeted this is the 2nd most ACC wins since 2009-10, with 10 games remaining
 
Pilchard said:
That 2006 BC team was sneaky good. They had Jared Dudley, who played in the NBA forever, Craig Smith who had 6 year in NBA career, and Tyrese Rice who was an very high level college player, Rice scored 46 in a game against UNC, including 30 in the first half. Al Skinner was very good at finding under the radar talent for BC. The Eagles went to 7 NCAA tourneys in the 10 seasons before BC fired Skinner. Since the Skinner firing, BC has been to ZERO NCAA tourneys over the last 11 seasons.
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My recollection is that Rice was down to BC or Wake when recruited, and Skinner persuaded him there. Rice killed us for four years.
 
thatguy2016 said:
we're at 15-4, 5-3 in conference

of the 12 remaining ACC games, KP has us as a significant favorite (68% or higher win probability) in 6, all at home:
BC
Pitt
Miami
Notre Dame
Louisville
NC State

KP has us as a significant underdog (18%) at Duke

The remaining 5 games all have winning expectancy between 40% and 60% - virtual toss-ups:
UNC
at Cuse
at FSU
at NC State
at Clemson

We go 6-0 in the games we *should* win, 3-2 in the toss-ups, 0-1 at Duke, that gets us to 24-7, 14-6 heading into the ACCT (with a bye to the quarterfinals)

5-1, 2-3, 0-1 has us at 22-9, 12-8 and needing a win at the ACCT to feel comfortable
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Update:

now 17-4, 7-3 in conference

KP has us at 72% or better for the following 5 home games:

Pitt (93%)
Miami (73%)
Notre Dame (72%)
Louisville (86%)
NC State (82%)

we're a 21% underdog at Duke

with recent results, KP likes our odds better, but the other 4 road games are still virtual toss-ups:

Cuse (57%)
FSU (49%)
NCSU (63%)
Clem (52%)

5-0, 0-1, 2-2 gets us 24-7, 14-6

interesting that as of this second on KP, the WF page projects us to finish 13-7, but the ACC page projects us to finish 14-6 and in sole possession of 2nd.
 
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