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2-8 vs 3-7?

Sgt Hulka

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Considering the competition and the teams beat, is there really much progress here? BTW, this will be our record in the last 10 games...I know it is progress over last year, but anything is progress over 0-10, so that doesn't count.

The purpose of this thread is to have the sunshine brigade/buzzzinners evaluate where we stand as a program. It appears as if we are static and not progressing (we have progressed as the acc has dropped, but we have not progressed as a team vs the competition).

Bomb away.
 
I talked to a guy who I thought was Ray Lewis and he thought bzz was a bum.
 
The first two seasons are on Dino according to Wellman. Dino has gone from 61-31 to 82-71 since he started working for ESPN.

Bzz, on the other hand, is still 0-0, so he's got that going for him. Unblemished.

So let's drop this Bzz bashing and give the man a fair chance to get this program back to some semblance of normalcy.

But if you ask me, I'm not sure Dino's buyout is worth the 40 extra losses on his record.
 
Dino is obviously a hot commodity. After being let go, his record is...oh wait, no one has hired this amazing coach who torched the ACC.
 
2-3 vs. 3-2?

Love it, a new post for every thought or stat on Bzz.
 
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deacondamo said:
Dino is obviously a hot commodity. After being let go, his record is...oh wait, no one has hired this amazing coach who torched the ACC.
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Who ever said he was a hot commodity? And who really knows if he wants to coach again? Christ, after a stint like that after your best friend's death and an AD that throws you under the bus because you don't appreciate nicely fitting socks you would take a break too. It's not like he's selling shoes at the Foot Locker. His gig at ESPN isn't half bad. And if you listen to him break down games he's getting pretty damn good at it.

And if you are keeping score his record is now 21-40 since getting canned. There's a resume builder. It's really nice when a high profile AD throws all the shit that happens after you leave on your lap. I could see it if there were NCAA sanctions or he was touching young boys but this is just stupid.

Did Wellman ever once say that the success or failure of Dino's first two years were on Skip? Wellman is a hypocritical ass clown.
 
deacondamo said:
Dino is obviously a hot commodity. After being let go, his record is...oh wait, no one has hired this amazing coach who torched the ACC.
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Dino hasn't actively looked for work since being fired. He will this Spring, so let's see if he gets a job or not. Time will tell how "in demand" he is. I personally have no idea who wants him or how many progams that would.
 
Dino is enjoying his buyout salary and if he took another job he would forfeit a good chunk I believe. If I were him I would do exactly what he is doing. Put himself on TV, build his name, collect his checks, and travel the country making recruiting connections with zero NCAA liability.

He will get another job by the time his buyout salary runs out. Then we will see what kind of coach he is. I think he will do well. Just my opinion. Obviously Wellman won't help him out very much on the job hunt, but he has too good of a record at Wake to be ignored.
 
Given Dino's record as Wake the question should not be if he's been looking for a HC but has anybody been looking for him. I would think if the college hoops world felt his record as Wake was legit, someone would have convinced him to give up his buyout. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever heard a rumor of Dino being considered for a HC position, certainly not a BCS level opening.
 
I'll make this look prettier @ some point, but this data is pretty remarkable/jaw-dropping...

WFU
Year / Record / Top 100 Wins / Sub-100 Losses

2003 / 25-6 / 15 / 0
2004 / 21-10 / 13 / 0
2005 / 27-6 / 20 / 0
2006 / 17-17 / 8 / 0
2007 / 15-16 / 8 / 1
2008 / 17-13 / 8 / 0
2009 / 24-7 / 14 / 0
2010 / 20-11 / 13 / 1
2011 / 8-24 / 2 / 4
2012 / 13-16 / 1 / 4
 
Getting fired was the best that ever happened to Dino's coaching and broadcasting futures. Had he stayed through this year, his record would have been basically .500 and his winning seasons attributed to Skip not him.
 
Wrangor said:
Dino is enjoying his buyout salary and if he took another job he would forfeit a good chunk I believe. If I were him I would do exactly what he is doing. Put himself on TV, build his name, collect his checks, and travel the country making recruiting connections with zero NCAA liability.

He will get another job by the time his buyout salary runs out. Then we will see what kind of coach he is. I think he will do well. Just my opinion. Obviously Wellman won't help him out very much on the job hunt, but he has too good of a record at Wake to be ignored.
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Wrangor makes sense to me. I'm not understanding why Dino has to have been terrible or great to discuss Bzz, but I catch myself doing the same thing. I wish Dino well, but he's yesterday's news to us now.

It is my guess that Bzz will make it or not based upon how well his team performs next year. In any event, I believe that ought to be how he should be evaluated, with two years of recruits of his own and with three years to establish his own program. If his teams wins next year he can say anything he wants to students at Miami and we probably won't care, a la Indiana fans when they had Bobby Knight; if he loses next year he could be the best man to ever walk the face of the earth, and we won't care.

I'm rooting for the guy.
 
To dissect that a little:

In 8 years... Dino & Skip had a combined total of 2 sub-100 losses. Bz has 8 already; 4 in each of his two seasons.

The fewest number of top-100 wins in a single season from '03-'10 was 8 (including the 15-16 campaign in '07). In two years combined, Bz has 3 (2 in '10-'11, 1 in '11-'12).
 
Dino is clearly not going to get a top job at a BCS conference. That's clear to me at least. I think a good mid-major job would fit him quite well and I think he could do a very good job in such a situation. He would also be a terrific top assistant somewhere, which is what he did at Wake. I would also think that he learned a ton during his two years as head coach and gained some perspective from his time off with regards to what type of school and coaching situation might be the best fit for him, politics, and being a head coach at a higher level than Army.
 
Atlanta Deacon said:
Dino was a terrible coach. Bz may be worse.
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[Redacted] is much, much worse with the media but not at coaching.

Dino let a team with the among the top two or three quickest penetrating PGs and best foul line forwards in the country be zoned. If you can coach at all, having one of those two should make you unzonable. Having both, you need to be a special brand offensively challenged as a coach to let your team be zoned.
 
vtwhat etc said:
To dissect that a little:

In 8 years... Dino & Skip had a combined total of 2 sub-100 losses. Bz has 8 already; 4 in each of his two seasons.

The fewest number of top-100 wins in a single season from '03-'10 was 8 (including the 15-16 campaign in '07). In two years combined, Bz has 3 (2 in '10-'11, 1 in '11-'12).
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I honestly don't understand the point of these types of tiresome comparisons. Instead of labeling these teams by coach... why don't we just say 'some of wake's most talented teams only lost 2 games to bad teams while some of wake's least talented teams have lost 8 games to bad teams in only 2 years.'
 
deacondamo said:
Dino is obviously a hot commodity. After being let go, his record is...oh wait, no one has hired this amazing coach who torched the ACC.
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Has he tried to get a coaching job? Or is he just content to get his buyout money and do the ESPN gig?
 
More importantly has anyone of significance even asked if he wanted to be their coach. Any decent job, imo, you don't apply for, they come to you.
 
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