KillSwofford
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the black helicopters are flying over Swofford's place again......
Fabulous addition to the thread. Such great insight here.
Go suck on a Werther's.
the black helicopters are flying over Swofford's place again......
Condescension and obvious logical flaws aside (you know, the whole growing up bi-racial in less than friendly places-thing), there's a valid point in here...
I don't know how big a deal the bi-racial thing would be in Hawaii or Indonesia. Indonesia has a ridiculous number of ethnic groups and a colonial history. The discrimination there under Suharto was against Chinese Indonesians.
And Hawaii...hell being white wouldn't have made you not a minority in Hawaii, especially not at that time.
He's black. He looks black. That's how Obama was treated. Being found to be bi-racial in the 60s/70s was even worse. You didn't really belong to either group.
Good lord the tightie righties on this board are on a roll. If you dont think obamas American experience is exponentially closer to the "typical" black American experience than Romney, Ryan, McCain, or Palin then your head is up your ass. Bill Clinton's American experience is as well. For chrissakes get the fuck out of here you just muck this place up with ridiculous tangential bullshit
Bill Clinton's life experience I buy. But Obama's? Exponentially closer to the "typical black"? Private high schools and Ivy League colleges? Give me a break. Obama is more like Romney and McCain than he is the "typical black".
Are you honestly denying the impact of race in institutions of higher learning and in predominately white spaces?
No.
Are you honestly saying that simply because Obama is black, regardless of the fact that he attended private high schools and Harvard, that his life experience is "exponentially closer" to that of the "typical black"?
No, I'm not saying that and I never did say that. Where did you get that from? WakeandBake wrote that, actually.
My point was that there's a continuum, in which lived experience of race, particularly bi-raciality, matters. Perhaps President Obama's experience hasn't been quite as harrowing as you might assume, imagine, or expect, but it is insane to suggest that because he's private school educated that he hasn't had an "authentic" or legitimate experience with racism or forces of oppression.
It's not typical black inner-city, but it is nothing like being white. He absolutely faced race based problems. to think he didn't is really naive.
Good lord the tightie righties on this board are on a roll. If you dont think obamas American experience is exponentially closer to the "typical" black American experience than Romney, Ryan, McCain, or Palin then your head is up your ass. Bill Clinton's American experience is as well. For chrissakes get the fuck out of here you just muck this place up with ridiculous tangential bullshit
What a dipshit response from jh. You're better than that. There is plenty of room to call the guy a fuckwad on this thread and then go on with your witch-hunt on any of the other threads.
You aren't a racist. But the right's refusal to recognize and deal with these wackos does not help the situation. A cynical person would believe it is related to the fact that the wacko is voting for your team, which means you will find reasons not to outwardly condemn him. Luckily for you, I am not a cynic.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that experiences of bi-racial people vary depending on how othered they are or feel in relation to histories of colonial domination (in both Hawaii and Indonesia) and I also think it's extremely condescending to suggest that Obama's experiences growing up bi-racial are overblown because there are a "ridiculous number of ethnic groups and a colonial history."
As an aside, a white relative of mine adopted a bi-racial child in a very liberal and fairly diverse suburb in a big city and she recently confided in me that the racism that her son experienced in privileged and progressive settings outweighed any overt racism in traditional settings. I'm not claiming any special knowledge or anything, but it's merely to say that assumptions about the intersections of race, class, and geography are oftentimes extremely off-base.
Shorty, are you saying the race-based problems Obama faced DIDN'T make his experience "exponentially" closer to black Americans than Romney and McCain?
And that even with the private schooling and such, the fact that he decided to identify as black, move to Chicago to work with blacks, marry a black woman, raise his black daughters, and live with his black mother-in-law haven't made his experience "exponentially" closer to that of black Americans than Romney and McCain?
Can you explain your logic here? For one, your definition of "typical" black American seems to be something close to a poor kid from Hope, Arkansas without accounting for the diversity among black people in America. But no matter the diversity, doubt there are more than a handful of black people whose experiences are anywhere close to Romney and McCain.