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Did that guy really think UNC was going to the final four this year? I mean at a school like UNC what's the difference in losing in the round of 32 or the sweet 16 anyway?
 
THE DEUCE said:
A couple of my UNC buddies were complaining that it was in KC. God forbid a number 1 seed gets to play close to home (cough) Greensboro !!!!!
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I don't think anyone's objecting to #1 Kansas getting a de facto home game. They earned it. What is concerning is that the #17 RPI team gets slotted as an eight seed and has to play a road game on the opening weekend, as if they didn't just play for the ACC title and go undefeated against everybody but two seeds since January against an ACC schedule. I'm perfectly aware that most ABC'ers are going to call that whining, but to me, it's third grade math. You can't divide 17 by 4 and get 8. Or even 7. Or even 6. You barely get to 5.

If this is the part where we pretend that the NCAA isn't trying to sell a storyline during primetime on Sunday night (b/c we sincerely believe that they just happen to be a humble, nonprofit educational co-op with a multibillion dollar entertainment deal, and this plotline-in-a-jar is just the happy little coincidence they tried to hustle), fine. If you say so, but again, math.

I'm also okay with people saying "Screw reason, bad for UNC = good for me". Hey, I get it. I've done very similar things in the past, and pledge to do them in the near future at the first opportunity.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I don't think anyone's objecting to #1 Kansas getting a de facto home game. They earned it. What is concerning is that the #17 RPI team gets slotted as an eight seed and has to play a road game on the opening weekend, as if they didn't just play for the ACC title and go undefeated against everybody but two seeds since January against an ACC schedule. I'm perfectly aware that most ABC'ers are going to call that whining, but to me, it's third grade math. You can't divide 17 by 4 and get 8. Or even 7. Or even 6. You barely get to 5.

If this is the part where we pretend that the NCAA isn't trying to sell a storyline during primetime on Sunday night (b/c we sincerely believe that they just happen to be a humble, nonprofit educational co-op with a multibillion dollar entertainment deal, and this plotline-in-a-jar is just the happy little coincidence they tried to hustle), fine. If you say so, but again, math.

I'm also okay with people saying "Screw reason, bad for UNC = good for me". Hey, I get it. I've done very similar things in the past, and pledge to do them in the near future at the first opportunity.
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For fuck's sake. Can you just go the fuck to IC and not come back? Do you really think your plaintive appeals, no matter how reasonable you believe them to be, to find any purchase on this board? For the number of times your school (UNC) has fucked Wake and others?!? Seriously? Stop being ashamed of being a Tar Heel and just run back over to them.
 
^ yes. I hate both teams, but I would've preferred to see the ACC win this one. UNC probably makes this more of a game had this not essentially been played in Lawrence. I am an Eagles fan now. GO FGCU!
 
THE DEUCE said:
A couple of my UNC buddies were complaining that it was in KC. God forbid a number 1 seed gets to play close to home (cough) Greensboro !!!!!
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I heard them say even Roy Boy mentioned that and I thought Kansas is a freaking 1 seed and your an 8!!! How many freaking times over the years has UNC got to playing in Greensboro, Charlotte, and even in Winston-Salem one year I think.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I don't think anyone's objecting to #1 Kansas getting a de facto home game. They earned it. What is concerning is that the #17 RPI team gets slotted as an eight seed and has to play a road game on the opening weekend, as if they didn't just play for the ACC title and go undefeated against everybody but two seeds since January against an ACC schedule. I'm perfectly aware that most ABC'ers are going to call that whining, but to me, it's third grade math. You can't divide 17 by 4 and get 8. Or even 7. Or even 6. You barely get to 5.

If this is the part where we pretend that the NCAA isn't trying to sell a storyline during primetime on Sunday night (b/c we sincerely believe that they just happen to be a humble, nonprofit educational co-op with a multibillion dollar entertainment deal, and this plotline-in-a-jar is just the happy little coincidence they tried to hustle), fine. If you say so, but again, math.

I'm also okay with people saying "Screw reason, bad for UNC = good for me". Hey, I get it. I've done very similar things in the past, and pledge to do them in the near future at the first opportunity.
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Teams aren't seeded based on their RPI so your argument is pointless. The basketball season started in November not January BTW.
 
UNC has had so much good fortune in the tournament... hearing them bitch about drawing a tough seed is like Lindsay Lohan bitching that a judge has it out for her.
 
Haven't MOST of those NCAA tourney teams played hard, beaten a bunch of other teams, and just finished a conference tournament (with many of them winning their conference title)?

I guess I'm missing jhmd's point, but I thought winning and playing hard are what gets teams into the tournament. Has UNC had more games to play than everyone else or something? (Poor babies, only 5 McD's AA's...no wonder they struggled.)
 
THE DEUCE said:
UNC only beat one ranked opponent all year....(20) UNLV
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If there is any team in the tournament that can complain about their seeding it's Oregon. They got a 12 seed and probably deserved at least a 6 or 7.
 
For whatever it's worth, here are the final Kenpom rankings for the teams seed in the 7-9 range:

7 seeds:

Creighton - 18
San Diego St. - 35
Illinois - 37
Notre Dame - 38

8 seeds:

Pittsburgh - 11
UNC - 27
Colorado St. - 32
NCSU - 34

9 seeds:

Missouri - 20
Wichita St. - 21
Villanova - 46
Temple - 61
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Teams aren't seeded based on their RPI so your argument is pointless. The basketball season started in November not January BTW.
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Not directly, but if it has no bearing whatsoever (as appears to be the case here), we sure spend a lot of time and effort following the pointless measuring stick, don't we?

Perhaps I am less willing than others to take the NCAA at their word that this was just a coincidence. If "the math" was the guide, I'm tempted to believe that it was the type of math behind the multibillion dollar entertainment contract and the attendant temptation to pair two brand names against each other in prime time being more persuasive than third grade math. I just know I'm comfortable on the side that believes money drives things and not on the side that agrees with the basketball acumen of a Committee that features Ron Wellman as a prominent member. To each his own, I suppose.

Maybe Carolina didn't beat anybody, but who was their worst loss after losing to then-ranked North Carolina State on January 26? They beat EVERYBODY they played, except teams ranked #2 or #1. I can think of worse basketball sins.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
If there is any team in the tournament that can complain about their seeding it's Oregon. They got a 12 seed and probably deserved at least a 6 or 7.
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But they didn't complain like little bitches, instead they went out and won games to earn a spot in the Sweet 16.


Winners win. Losers make excuses.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Not directly, but if it has no bearing whatsoever (as appears to be the case here), we sure spend a lot of time and effort following the pointless measuring stick, don't we?

Perhaps I am less willing than others to take the NCAA at their word that this was just a coincidence. If "the math" was the guide, I'm tempted to believe that it was the type of math behind the multibillion dollar entertainment contract and the attendant temptation to pair two brand names against each other in prime time being more persuasive than third grade math. I just know I'm comfortable on the side that believes money drives things and not on the side that agrees with the basketball acumen of a Committee that features Ron Wellman as a prominent member. To each his own, I suppose.

Maybe Carolina didn't beat anybody, but who was their worst loss after losing to then-ranked North Carolina State on January 26? They beat EVERYBODY they played, except teams ranked #2 or #1. I can think of worse basketball sins.
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I'm not sure who you're railing against here, but the NCAA committee doesn't seed the tournament with a mathematical formula. It's just a bunch of people in a room.
 
deacvision7 said:
But they didn't complain like little bitches, instead they went out and won games to earn a spot in the Sweet 16.


Winners win. Losers make excuses.
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Of course. Kansas played lights out, and clearly deserved to win. Not sure I've seen a different argument anywhere. Joust away, Don.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I'm not sure who you're railing against here, but the NCAA committee doesn't seed the tournament with a mathematical formula. It's just a bunch of people in a room.
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Yeah, and the increasingly irrational RW is one of those people. Maybe UNC has a point...
 
mothersodear said:
Yeah, and the increasingly irrational RW is one of those people. Maybe UNC has a point...
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Don't know if this is what you're talking about, but committee members have to leave the room when a team from their conference is being discussed and seeded.
 
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